Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Greek,

I "feel" the same about boxing.

Think of it legalised "thuggery".

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Bull fighting and boxing ? the boxer has a choice , he can quit when every he wants to. the odds against the bull winning are nearly nil , the bull is killed even if it wins.

I think the age of consent for boxing should be raised to about 75.

The majority of the "foolowers" of the "art of boxing", are indoctrinated by their parents during childhood. Similar to the "fox hunting" and "bull fighting brigades".


Look at the "fighting" families of the "east ends" of the poorer parts of various towns and cities in this country.

Future bully boys and army fodder.

They only think they have choice. Many never revise their thinking, and continue their ways on blind belief.

If many saw a person hammering another person on the street, in the same way as they laud somebody doing the same in a boxing ring, they would demanding "police" action.

Hi Fred,

I sometimes wonder if we will ever agree on anything. As Aldwickk states, boxers have a choice. My old club had a saying, 'Boxing was a way of channeling aggression, by way of a discipline approach to physical and mental training. As most boxing clubs are in or near areas of so called deprivation, with the vast majority of boxers being young adults who live in these areas, I believe the sport does far more good than harm. I personally know many, kids, youths and even a few adults, who have turned their lives round by becoming interested in boxing.
Boxing clubs have probably done more good at channeling youngsters away from crime, drugs and the like than any government initiative, and at a far lower cost.
If a boxer becomes 'carded' (licensed) as an amateur and he is later convicted of an assault, they stand a good chance of either loosing their license to box or having it suspended.

You say, 'If many saw a person hammering another person on the street, in the same way as they laud somebody doing the same in a boxing ring, they would demanding "police" action'.

I have to say that your comparison is utterly ridiculous. I have been in several bouts/sparing with boxers who I would call friends. We are all in the sport and fight through choice. We bruise, bleed a bit then hug each other when the final bell goes. That is not thuggery.

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It seems similar to dog fighting to me.

N.

I think it impossible to grow up without feeling physical pain. (There are a few exceptions, such as those who have brain abnormalities or damage.)

Also, it is obvious there are few, who at some time in their development have not fallen down and hurt themselves.

They can and do interpret that pain (for example), in relationship to their own future possibility of pain to themselves and the potential pain of others.

(Look at the bases of some humour.)

If you talking about about anger management, I would suggest awareness and consequence management would be more appropriate.

I played contact and non-contact sports until I was in my 50s and it didn't think that contact sport reduced the incidents of thuggery in the group who took part. It just made them fitter.

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I do not get any thrill or enjoyment inflicting pain on others, and it goes without saying (funny how people say that then still say it) even less in receiving it.
But I do get enjoyment and a thrill at pitting my limited boxing skills against another opponent. I have also trained in other martial arts, but boxing is the only martial art where you can really 'follow through' to your maximum capability. This to me makes it the ultimate martial art.

Fred,

I think I will leave it there as I feel we have about as much chance of agreeing about boxing as we do about politics.
Now I wonder who would have won in the ring, Cameron, Clegg or Brown.

Regards Greek

Brown,

He would slug it out.

Fox hunting (just as bad as bull fighting) with a pack of dogs is another terrible sport, but I agree that a farmer should have the right to kill a fox that has slaughtered all his chickens.....to me boxing is a sport and the refs do stop the fight if things get out of hand !.

Hopefully fox hunting will return when the Conservative get re-elected next time without a coalition.

Hopefully ?...I want it banned for good....

I am an animal lover, who is anti fox hunting. I also live in the country within 2 miles of a very large hunting kennels.
The most ridiculous argument for fox hunting is that it keeps the fox population down. Well it doesn't, as it is one of the least effective ways of reducing the population.
Also although they call it sport, I have seen foxes dug out when they have managed to beat the hounds home, or a terrier is put down to kill the fox. Also the hunts often pre block the foxes dens prior to hunt day. And yet hunts and their supporters, say it is the thrill of the chase, not the kill that is important. If so why not at least allow the fox, who has made it home a chance to live and run another day.
Hunts also cause a large amount of damage to crops, and livestock. I have seen the hounds a few times, panic sheep and cattle.
The hounds also are the cause of many road traffic accidents.
When I used to Police the local hunt, the hunt members thought that I was a supporter, as from an often advantage point, I would, if asked direct the hunt in the direction of the fox, who's scent had been lost, always sending them in the wrong direction. Hopefully I saved a few foxes this way.
Wildlife is a main hobby of mine, so I make no excuses.
Many years ago, a friend of mine was paid by the local hunt to 'block' dens.
He was also an animal lover, who knew more about the fox and its territory than many of the hunt members, so both he and myself would re visit the dens the night prior to the hunt and unblock one entry.
We then poured small amounts of petrol across the tracks we new the fox would use to get to the den.
If it was dry, we would use pepper. Neither of these harmed the hounds.
As to the hunt regalia and pageantry, I love it. But they can change to drag hunting, which has the same thrill (if you believe them, that the kill is not important) and is safer, as the person laying the trail avoids roads as much as possible, livestock and crops.
People also forget or just don't know, that most hounds are put down when they have come to the end of their hunting usefulness, about 6 years old, but it could be 8 (not certain re age). Very few make good pets.

Good post greekman....I would arm the fox with a crossbow....

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RF,

When two opponents are brain dead the ref doesn't realise the damage being inflicted.

I think the obvious unnecessary inflicting of pain onto others for self satisfaction is not that inspiring.

Greek, Like you I was taught and learnt some "self-defence", but was suspended for 6 weeks for using what I knew reflexly, when playing rugby.

Long story and there were three victims and my punishment was light, due to the ref. saying that he had witnessed what had led up to the "incident".

Stopped training for a while, but later when "training" in the Gym with a friend threw a punch at him while sparring and thought I had killed him.

Stopped, contact sports after that.

I was thinking of a foot version....too technical for me...feet..arms,..so what.......or a bag of hand grenades...you never know, foxy might be as clever as Basil Brush.....

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Anyone remember one of the Crocodile Dundee films, the one where some drunks were shooting kangaroos. Dundee then held one dead roo in front of him, whilst firing a rifle at the drunks.
Priceless.