Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Do you mean the previous government didn't have its advisors?

If so ?

If not, are they the same as the present to bunch seem to have?

Rawdm999,

I think we are wasting our time with Fred. We state that he refuses to reply on the same subject we commented on, then he asked what we are grumbling about. Now he says that for now he is accepting my figures. Problem is he did not say that before.
So it appears we have to guess what he accepts.
I don't mind debate, but I am done with him for the sole reason he twists everything to make you look wrong. You can't debate with someone like that. It is a waste of time.

You should know better than to argue with an idiot. They invariably drag you down to their own level and end up beating you with their years of experience.

Discussion evolving again & haven't got time.

Greek.

No. It is wiser not to make assumptions, unless it is explicit in what I write


(You have an a perfect right to assumptions, but false assumptions can lead you up a dark alley.)

Also, I feel it is a little like being accusing somebody of villainy, or similar action, and confirming it by on the assumption that, because the individual does not to answer, or plead according to whim, he/she is found guilty and should be "banged up".

I hope that is not the principal that you are operating on.

Greek, we are wasting time. I'm taking Hilary's comment on board and writing it out a hundred times.

try the squelch button. never used it myself.
but then havnt felt the need to write out a hundred lines either.
seems desperate. LoL!
may or may not help
just a suggestion and as always just my opinion and please be sure to dyor
regards
jkd

Raw.

What ever turns you on!

Does Andrew Mitchell manage his "government office" from the Cayman Islands?

Says it all really.

A woman who has 13 children has just been complaining about the cuts on our local news channel.
I suppose she expects us to keep her large brood.
Cost to the tax payer.
First child 20.30 per week. 81.20 per month. 1055.60 per year.
Other children 13.40 per week. 52.60 per month. 683.80 x 12 = 8205.60 per year.
Total for this 1 family 9261.20 per year, in child benefit alone.
Then of course they may be on other benefits.
Examples like this are one of the reasons we are in this mess.
If she had not received child benefit, I bet she would have found another hobby.
I think any family that has more than 2 children should not receive child benefit.
Why should we keep these large families.
Makes my blood boil.

rawdm999

The point to remember re the news aircraft carriers is that both would never have been in service simultaneously. Whilst one is operational, the other will be in refit, undergoing modifications and updates followed by a lengthy regeneration process - trials and training.

Whether the RN (or RFA) will ever have jets to operate from the carriers, only time will tell. Incidentally, the Coalition was absolutely right in that cancelling the contracts would have cost a significant amount of tax payers money.

Oh, hello Hil. Budge up a bit on the squelchy step. I brought some refreshment this time. Glass of Krug?

I would castrate the children at birth.

That would teach them to be better citizens.

Best comment so far on the whole business from Sam Jones, FT Hedge Fund correspondent, today at lunchtime:

"Cuts cuts cuts. Fund manager I am with thinks these will create opportunities. So we are having a nice Montrachet."

See Tweedledee and Tweedledum are asking Nick help to explain the economy to them.

Seems more like a comedy act on the music hall circus than a government.

Mind the act is a little black humoured.

Can't the Navy afford Charts nowadays.

Nuclear submarine 'grounded on rocks' off Skye

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Royal Navy submarine HMS Astute has got into difficulty off Skye, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has confirmed.

An eye-witness told BBC Scotland that the boat appeared to be grounded on rocks a few miles from the Skye road bridge.

A Ministry of Defence spokeswoman said: "This is a not a nuclear incident.

"We are responding to the incident and can confirm that there are no injuries to personnel and the submarine remains watertight."

The spokeswoman added: "There is no indication of any environmental impact".

The Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) said it was alerted to the incident at about 0819 BST.

A spokesman said they were monitoring the situation.

Another, you could not make it up.

A cafowner in Stockport Manchester has been ordered to remove an extractor fan because the smell of fried bacon is offending passing Muslims. Several Muslims have made complaints to Stockport Council.
I wonder if the same action would have been ordered if a smell coming from a Muslim caf had resulted in a similar complaint from none Muslims.
All actions such as this both store up and increase anger and racial tensions.
Integration, who are they kidding.

Greek,

I personally wouldn't like to live next door to a "curry" house or a "chippy". Especially if they were working 24hours a day.

I think I would be happy that they installed an extractor of some beneficial form.

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You like numbers and "logic".

If you haven't heard this programme, try a quick listen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00vcqcx/In_Our_Time_Logic

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00vcqcx/In_Our_Time_Logic

pth. the principle of two warships is always a very good idea considering the lead in times involved. A backup is always useful. However, when these were on the drawing board someone should have seen the defence budget black hole forming and cut the cloth accordingly. Maybe the carriers were an ego stroking exercise for someone or may be it was thought that some more creative accounting would pay for them.

Two smaller vessels carrying fewer jets would have been better than two floating helicopter platforms.

I agree, cancelling the contract would have been totally wrong with the costs involved and at least it keeps the shipyards et al busy.