Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The main problem is going to be is when either country wants the assistance of the other, say another Falklands. If we wanted the French to help and they used their veto to refuse because they decided it was 'not their fight', then what do you think would happen the next time they wanted out assistance.
I agree with joint training, testing and the like, but if anyone believes the French would come rushing to our assistance, they are living in cloud cuckoo land, unless of course it was to their benefit. If our Aircraft carrier was in for maintenance and our aircraft were on the French carrier, what would happen if the French decided the carrier would not 'Go to war'. The French people would be protesting in the streets at the first sign of the UK asking for help.
This will never work. It took the French long enough to send troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, but I admit they were quicker to react than most so called NATO Allies.
The French put themselves, first, second and last, something we should be doing more of.

What is appearing to me more and more, is that Cameron and his apparatchiks, are concentrating more and more on presentation of policy based on ideology, rather than thinking out their future policies and the disastrous effects that some of those policies may have if they are implemented.

Cameron and the crowd around him seem to be showing the same shallow thought processing of the PR boys that they are.

I find it amusing for one days presentation is being modified, or withdrawn the next day with a few glib words. (Or the blame, put on the coalition, the labour partys history, Europe, or even Obama and America .)

I just wonder, whether the present mob will accept responsibility for any of their actions.

However, in order to have a common, or united and effective defence force, one has to have common goals, i.e. a common, or united, foreign policy.

Probably, this points to increasing closeness of functioning and general aims of France and Britain within a United States of Europe.

I think, Cameron at the same time as being a poser, is signing up for such a future state. Gifting the autonomy of Britain to Europe.
Interesting to watch.

Most of what you said there applies to the Labour party.

Seymour

Yes your right sound's just like Labour. Spin Doctor's , sound bites , Blame it on 18year's of Tory rule , will not accept responsibility for any of their actions., Blair the poser , actor and liar and Brown the worst Prime Minster or maybe the second behind Blair that this country ever had.

I accept your opinion of Blair.

I think Cameron, Clegg and Blair would make a bad trio called the "Spivs", with the "oik" carrying their bags. Of course Aschroft would be their manager.

Bring back Maggie.

(Forgot she had a knife stuck in her back, by loyal supporters. Very wise.)

It seems the likely end of Cameron.

Will he last as long as Sir Alec did? Looks as if the coalition is already falling apart.

Ps.

Which island is Aschroft on now.

As you might have been reading, Stephen Fry has been upsetting the apple cart, by writing on his feelings concerning the sexual requirements of women. Basically, he says, that they just don't like sex.

Jaqueline Gold, the Boss of Ann Summers, adamantly disagrees and talks about how her women customers do like sex and have now become much more empowered in the bedroom than they ever used to be and how they know much more nowadays about what they actually want and like in their sex lives.

She says:

"I'll leave you with one interesting fact - every day nearly 10,000 women attend parties hosted by our organisers.

That means more women go to Ann Summers parties each year than fans watch Man U play at Old Trafford each season."

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/3209107/Four-writers-respond-to-Stephen-Frys-claims-about-women-not-liking-sex.html#ixzz14DkcULoR

The cabinet must be working overtime. 8-)

That means more women go to Ann Summers parties each year than fans watch Man U play at Old Trafford each season."

And I bet they score more often than United do.
Mind you a few United players are scoring off the pitch more than on it lately.

As to women not liking sex, it depends on the woman of course. A survey many years ago, found that the percentage of single women that enjoy sex, is far higher than the percentage of married woman who enjoy sex. Devious lot women!

Another survey found that more women prefer chocolate to sex, whilst more men prefer football to sex. So one night I dressed up in my Liverpool shirt, and treated my wife to a big box of Thorntons.

What happened next, I will leave to your imagination.

Ever used a Meat Thermometer in the bedroom to test the temperature of what is on offer, Greek?

Apparently, they are not too reliable. You might easily get a reading that says "Rare" when it should actually read "Well Done".

Thanks for that ExecLine.
Will await other suggestions before trying a remedy. Might just try swapping (no not the wife, although) with me eating the chocolate and the wife wearing the Liverpool shirt.

Greek - Trust me, you have more chance of scoring wearing an Everton shirt :O)

EXec's ideas for bedroom appliances are interesting.


I suppose it is, for some, whatever turns them on!

Fred

What turn's you off ,

Has anyone bought any Viagra at TESCO'S yet ?

No. Reason was they had it to try, you know like they do those cheese on biscuit tasters that they tempt you with. So I tried a bit. It was very good. So good in fact that five minutes later I decided to return to the store to purchase a packets. Never noticed before how narrow those doors are.

Fred

The last government did cause so much of the harm now being dealt with so blame is definately deserved.

It was labour's social engineering that caused massive house price rises such that few people can now get on the property ladder. How did they do this? they issued policy earlier this decade that councils put planning moratoriums on new house building. This lasted for years while at the same time increasing the availability of easy money, be it benefits or letting the banks off the leash. So, reduced amount of new housing coming on the market + easy money = market forces of supply and demand. It is clear that rising property prices introduce the easy come, easy go, feel good factor that leads to consumer spending. Genius policies, to keep themselves in power for a few terms but buggers everything up for most in the medium term.

Labour knew exactly what they were doing and I don't think i've heard any of them apologise! Why won't they apologise? Because they get the benefit of blaming the 'global recession' (and the americans for sub-prime) We had our own, smaller scale subprime caused by that written above/labour!

Nothing to do with the Global "recession" and Sub Prime market engineered by capitalism at its worst?

Nothing to do with Maggie flogging off "council" housed?

Nothing to do with "entrepreneurs" buying up "cheap" houses a pushing up rents and getting hand outs from the "public" purse?

The tories didn't want increased legislation on the Financial services and banks and argued against such?

Market forces are a theory, the practice of which often should be reign in.

Remember Lady Porter and Westminster?

Has she fully paid up yet?

But, it was nice to see Ken Clarke smiling, when Cameron signed up to the EU state with Nick. Only this time it was somebody else's Sarkozy.

Fascinating, Heath signs up to Europe and Cameron completes the State.

Cash is waiting as a saviour in the corridor, with something in his hand.

And who was Chancellor ? Gordon [ this is no time for novice's , I saved the world,.] Brown.

Fred

24 hour drinking , super casino's , uncontrolled immigration , easy credit , live now pay later., City centre no go area's at night , billion's wasted on computer systems that don't work and the gap between rich and poor worst under Labour and worse of all the treatment of our troop's fighting a illegal war without the financial backing of they government.

"24 hour drinking , super casino's".

Sheer stupidity. But where there is a profit margin can't see the tories revoking the licences.

When was easy credit introduced?

"City centre no go areas"; Tories are cutting back on policing, while there is probably an increase in social friction. Stupidity.

Private companies (the capitalist failure system) promised working computer system. Still think the ID system would help to reduce fraud on wealth fare benefits and tax evasion etc..

Rich to poor, I think the method of judging this is open to question. I think that in many ways the "living" conditions for the majority in Britain has vastly improved over the last 40years. Also, I think the "opportunities" in general have improved, but I would agree with some further redistribution of personal wealth would be appropriate.

Agree the Iraq war was probably illegal and certainly stupid vanity on the part of Blair.

The commitment to war in Afghanistan was equally stupid

The preparation for and management of the war of this nature showed the naivety of the American and British governments at the time of those "adventures".

But the cut backs on the forces was started with blunt knives by the Thatcher government and continued by successive governments, with little expectations of the size of demands, which were going to be made on the "DEFENCE FORCES".

Also, naivety on the time taken to produce "necessary" hard ware, due to inadequate, inefficient but costly private sector.

However, both wars were backed by a feeble tory opposition party holding up the "flag" with cries of Talley Ho.

Hind-sight is marvellous.

If the same amount of money, which is now being spent on fireworks, was spent on a Humanitarian Relief Force, which is able to move into disaster zones, and carry out reconstruction and healthcare support, I think Britain may be more respected in the World and a safer country to live in.

But, I would think this is still at odds with the primitive common thinking of many.

Have a nice evening!