Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Fred - who can say at this juncture, but the markets have picked up 50 points since 9:30 - which is nice

Its quite a useful site - and unlike others offering similar, it is updated fairly quickly as news is released.

Finally the truth is out, the EU will have a new club to which the UK will not be a member.
So we now have a very clear choice, we either,
1 Stay in the old club, sitting on our own in the darkest, furthermost back room sitting at the bar, alone like the old man mopping into his pint.
2 We resign our membership.

Benefits of choice 1.
None.
Benefits of choice 2.
Immediate benefit of cost, as the UK is a net contributor to the EU.
Return to our own employment, immigration, health and safety, agricultural, fisheries law and most important of all Human Rights (tried up with immigration of course).
There are no doubt many more benefits that others may see, but the above is just a taster.
Surely the UK must now hold a referendum.
THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE!

We won't be on our own. There are other countries in the EU and NOT in the Eurozone.

Ed Miliband has just been speaking on the BBC, re the EU and Cameron.
He stated that he feels that Cameron has done a bad deal as 'He has walked away'
Cameron had 2 choices, either use the veto or not, negotiating further was obviously not an option.

When pushed about what he would have done, Miliband just reiterated the above, He did not attempt to say what he would have done differently.

He's far more useless than Cameron.

greekman

What's your view on this.

http://money.aol.co.uk/2011/12/09/police-arrests-are-too-expensive/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk%7Cdl4%7Csec3_lnk4%7C88045

Oh dear! David Cameron is in big, big trouble again! This time it's for urinating in the street!

David Cameron - foul language and urinating in the street

Ed Milliband - the Labour leader who stabbed his brother in the back.

That's the sort of 'deal' he does.

Hi Aldwickk,

Read it this morning in the Telegraph.
Although absolutely disgusted by it, I was not surprised.

If the facts are as reported, the Police were obviously negligent.
I just hope the Builder takes the Police Authority to court to try and recoup any losses.

What's the point of this new agreement when no one has ever stuck to any of the previous ones if they didn't want to ?

EUR still gonna fall apart at some point imo.

just given my pint of blood ,feel much better after i have donated

You don't seriously expect me to believe that. I mean, I came in here in all good faith to help my country. I don't mind giving a reasonable amount, but a pint . . . why that's very nearly an armful. I'm sorry. I'm not walking around with an empty arm for anybody . . . No, I'm sorry, I've been misinformed, I've made a mistake . . . I'll do something else, I'll be a traffic warden.

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The new Euro rules will

1. Will control the percentage of structural budget deficit (0.5%) against GDP
2. Will have automatic sanctions for any eurozone country whose deficit exceeds 3% of GDP

3. Will have a requirement to submit their national budgets to the European Commission, which will have the power to request that they be revised


What will happen is that countries such as Greece, Italy,Spain and Portugal will lie about the figures as they did to get entry to the Euro.

Errrrr haven't they already got rules covering most of that Haystack ???

From October 2003

"The excessive-deficit procedure already exists in European law and is being put into the constitution, with minor modifications. This is a very peculiar state of affairs. No less an authority than Romano Prodi, the head of the European Commission, has called the current rules stupid. The governments of France, Germany and Britain have all made it clear that they think they should be made more flexible. The whole thing has been falling apart anyway, as France and Germany have repeatedly breached the 3% limit. The drafting of a new constitution would have provided an ideal opportunity to change the rules and make them more realistic. Instead, the entire cumbersome procedure is being set in the stone of constitutional law."

Or try a search on growth and stability pact .... today's deal is the same old crap rebranded.

The new rules,

1. Will control the percentage of structural budget deficit (0.5%) against GDP
2. Will have automatic sanctions for any euro zone country whose deficit exceeds 3% of GDP.
OK so when countries exceed their budget deficit, they will be fined.
Well I'm sure thats going to work.

I just can't believe that the UK are the only country sensible enough not to sign up to the new deal.
Mind you the other 26 countries have got to get this past their electorate yet. No bloody chance!

I would far sooner the UK be on the outside when the EU implodes, than on the inside.

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Mnamreh,

I never thought of that.
A bit slower than the 'Blitzkrieg' but just as effective.

Remember Churchill's famous saying, 'Never in the field of humanity has so much s**te been thrown by so many at so few'.