Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

DIL - you're fully entitled to your opinion, but who do you suggest might have done a better job? ........ BJ perhaps? :-)

Lol re Fred's intelligence

Cynic , I'm tempted to say anyone but that wouldn't be true.

Probably I'd have gone for David Davies who would have got us a much better deal if he'd been leader and would probably have done a better job of keeping his party onside and also at the same time attracting the votes of Labour rebels.

Whatever deal we got was never going to be great but the current deal is as bad if not worsE THAN STAying in.

BJ would have done a better job than May imo but wouldn't have been my first choice as leader .... maybe Brexit minister though :-)

"Either we leave with no deal and the Irish border is their problem anyway or we leave with the current deal and an acceptable back stop agreement."


But some of us don't want to be a backward state like a Monmouthshire backwater and would prefer to be in the EU, and able to negotiate our future.

Lol , you should have fecking voted then

The Attorney General's legal advice to the government has now been published.

Here's a link: https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/brexit-legal-advice?ref=hpsplash

Cox warns that the backstop arrangement contained within the withdrawal agreement would "endure indefinitely," a phrase which has enraged Brexiteers who say it would represent an incomplete Brexit.

It confirms the government does not have the right to withdraw from the backstop unilaterally, something Brexiteers have advocated.

There is a legal risk that the UK could become stuck in "protracted and repeating rounds of negotiations" with Brussels.

The date on the Attorney General's advice is 13 November, the same day MPs asked for the advice to be published. Hmmm? This could mean that the government had not actually received any formal legal advice on the Withdrawal Agreement before, despite May publishing her formal Brexit plan weeks earlier.

The worst thing is that the DUP particularly, now feel greatly conned. I think she has lost them for good.

How sad. TM can't run the government without the DUP. Yesterday, she lost three votes. without a running majority there would be more and more and even more of exactly that.

Unless the Tories chuck her out and replace her with a new leader we are not going to get the DUP back on side any time soon, IMHO.

So it's either that or a General Election.

If it's the latter, then 'Oooops!' in goes Prime Minister Corbyn for sure. The electorate would definitely chuck out the Tories just for messing up Brexit.

JRM may now rescue his position of calling for the 48 letters to oust May on a vote of 'no confidence'. He was right all along. MPs wouldn't support this in adequate numbers at the time. So he lost standing and went quiet.

This revelation is now vitally important for him and his standing. He really does know what he is talking about. He is a strong Brexiteer.

IMHO he would now make an excellent Prime Minister - even though he has not been in cabinet. Because he speaks clearly and knows what he is talking about the populace could easily learn to trust him.

This fact is the exact opposite of what we currently have with Theresa May. We no longer trust her.

What is now clear is that the AG and TM were trying to suggest the material was far more damaging to the National Interest due to "Secrets" that it may contain, - in truth providing the documents that they have now been forced to release shows that TM was trying to pull the wool over the eyes of MP`s.

There has been a lack of planning to have a Clean Break, and that you can also lay at the door of TM.

I do wish others would stop using 'No Deal' and replace it with 'Clean Break' too.

Alf I could not care less what happens to TM that’s her problem.

As for all your other retaric it’s already been answered except the 1st informed referendum and if the majority are still daft enough to vote out then of course we leave.

Stan,

Be careful, she may come and live next door to you.

Oh no Fred my worst nightmare.

I doubt that Stan - If I were to find myself living next door to you, that would be your worst nighmare by far. You would move soon after but have no fear I will not take up residence anywhere near you.

That’s a relief we do have to keep standards up here.

The bar is quite low though Stan.

Clearly not low enough to keep the trolls and hobgoblins from going up there to be near to Stan - George.

I expect low is the norm in Cornwall George.

meanwhile
the real labour leader says (guardian) .....
Unite leader warns Labour against backing second referendum


and DUP will apparently vote with the gov't in a no confidence vote

Alf duplicating posts alert!