Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

The Attorney General's legal advice to the government has now been published.

Here's a link: https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/brexit-legal-advice?ref=hpsplash

Cox warns that the backstop arrangement contained within the withdrawal agreement would "endure indefinitely," a phrase which has enraged Brexiteers who say it would represent an incomplete Brexit.

It confirms the government does not have the right to withdraw from the backstop unilaterally, something Brexiteers have advocated.

There is a legal risk that the UK could become stuck in "protracted and repeating rounds of negotiations" with Brussels.

The date on the Attorney General's advice is 13 November, the same day MPs asked for the advice to be published. Hmmm? This could mean that the government had not actually received any formal legal advice on the Withdrawal Agreement before, despite May publishing her formal Brexit plan weeks earlier.

The worst thing is that the DUP particularly, now feel greatly conned. I think she has lost them for good.

How sad. TM can't run the government without the DUP. Yesterday, she lost three votes. without a running majority there would be more and more and even more of exactly that.

Unless the Tories chuck her out and replace her with a new leader we are not going to get the DUP back on side any time soon, IMHO.

So it's either that or a General Election.

If it's the latter, then 'Oooops!' in goes Prime Minister Corbyn for sure. The electorate would definitely chuck out the Tories just for messing up Brexit.

JRM may now rescue his position of calling for the 48 letters to oust May on a vote of 'no confidence'. He was right all along. MPs wouldn't support this in adequate numbers at the time. So he lost standing and went quiet.

This revelation is now vitally important for him and his standing. He really does know what he is talking about. He is a strong Brexiteer.

IMHO he would now make an excellent Prime Minister - even though he has not been in cabinet. Because he speaks clearly and knows what he is talking about the populace could easily learn to trust him.

This fact is the exact opposite of what we currently have with Theresa May. We no longer trust her.

What is now clear is that the AG and TM were trying to suggest the material was far more damaging to the National Interest due to "Secrets" that it may contain, - in truth providing the documents that they have now been forced to release shows that TM was trying to pull the wool over the eyes of MP`s.

There has been a lack of planning to have a Clean Break, and that you can also lay at the door of TM.

I do wish others would stop using 'No Deal' and replace it with 'Clean Break' too.

Alf I could not care less what happens to TM that’s her problem.

As for all your other retaric it’s already been answered except the 1st informed referendum and if the majority are still daft enough to vote out then of course we leave.

Stan,

Be careful, she may come and live next door to you.

Oh no Fred my worst nightmare.

I doubt that Stan - If I were to find myself living next door to you, that would be your worst nighmare by far. You would move soon after but have no fear I will not take up residence anywhere near you.

That’s a relief we do have to keep standards up here.

The bar is quite low though Stan.

Clearly not low enough to keep the trolls and hobgoblins from going up there to be near to Stan - George.

I expect low is the norm in Cornwall George.

meanwhile
the real labour leader says (guardian) .....
Unite leader warns Labour against backing second referendum


and DUP will apparently vote with the gov't in a no confidence vote

Alf duplicating posts alert!

Alf's Nanny dig's on!

My Conservative MP, Andrea Leadsom, currently puts her name to this:

40 reasons to back the Brexit Deal
Post date: 23/11/2018

Free movement will come to an end, once and for all, with the introduction of a new skills-based immigration system.

We will take back full control of our money which we will be able to spend on our priorities such as the NHS. We will leave EU regional funding programmes – with the UK deciding how we spend this money in the future.

The jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice in the UK will end.

In the future we will make our own laws in our own Parliaments and Assemblies in Westminster, Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast.

We will leave the Common Agricultural Policy.

We will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and become an independent coastal state again, with control over our waters.

We will be able to strike trade deals with other countries around the world. Deals can be negotiated and ratified during the implementation period and put in place straight afterwards.

We will be an independent voice for free trade on the global stage, speaking for ourselves at the World Trade Organisation, for the first time in decades.

We will be freed from the EU’s political commitment to ever closer union.

We will be out of the EU’s Charter of Fundamental Rights, recognising the UK’s long track record in protecting human rights.

A fair settlement of our financial obligations, which will be less than half what was originally predicted.

Both the one million UK citizens living in the EU and the three million EU citizens living in the UK will have their rights legally guaranteed so they can carry on living their lives as before.

We will have a free trade area with the EU, with no tariffs, fees, charges or quantative restrictions across all sectors, helping to protect UK jobs. We will be the only major economy with such a relationship with the EU.

We’ve agreed with the EU that we will be as ambitious as possible in easing the movement of goods between the UK and the EU as part of our free trade area.

We will have an implementation period after we leave the EU during which trade will continue much as it does now. This will allow Government, businesses and citizens time to prepare for our new relationship.

The deal will see a greater reduction in barriers to trade in services than in any previous trade deal.

There will be an agreement that means UK citizens can practice their profession in the EU.

A comprehensive deal that secures access to the EU market for our financial services sector meaning the EU cannot withdraw it on a whim. This will provide stability and certainty for the industry.

A best in class agreement on digital, helping to facilitate e-commerce and reduce unjustified barriers to trade by electronic means.

We have agreed that there will be arrangements that will let data continue to flow freely, vital across our economy and for our shared security.

Trade arrangements for gas and electricity will help to ease pressure on prices and keep supply secure.

Strong rules will be in place to keep trade fair, so neither the UK nor EU can unfairly subsidise their industries against the other.

We will have a comprehensive Air Transport Agreement and comparable access for freight operators, buses and coaches.

We have agreed that there will be arrangements so we can take part in EU programmes like Horizon and Erasmus.

There will be a co-operation agreement with Euratom, covering all the key areas where we want to collaborate.

Visa-free travel to the EU for holidays and business trips will continue.

Our new security partnership will mean sharing of data like DNA, passenger records and fingerprints to fight crime and terrorism, going beyond any previous agreement the EU has made with a third country.

Our new security partnership will enable the efficient and swift surrender of suspected and wanted criminals.

Close co-operation for our police forces and other law enforcement bodies.

We will continue to work together on sanctions against those who violate international rules.

We will work together on cyber-security threats and support international efforts to prevent money laundering and the financing of terrorism.

Disputes between the UK and the EU on the agreement will be settled by an independent arbitrator, ensuring a fair outcome.

We will meet our commitment to ensure that there is no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland.

We will keep the Common Travel Area between the United Kingdom and Ireland, ensuring everyday life continues as now.

We will keep the Single Electricity Market between Northern Ireland and Ireland, which will help maintain a stable energy supply and keep prices down in Northern Ireland.

Both sides will be legally committed, by the Withdrawal Agreement, to use “best endeavours” to get the future relationship in place by the end of the implementation period, helping to ensure the backstop is never used.

An agreement to consider alternative arrangements to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland, including all facilitative arrangements and technologies, and to begin preparatory work on this before we leave the EU, reflecting shared determination to replace the backstop.

In the unlikely event we do have to use the backstop, a UK-wide customs area will ensure there is no customs border in the Irish Sea.

Gibraltar’s British sovereignty will be protected.

The deal delivers on the referendum result. It takes back control of our money, borders and laws whilst protecting jobs, security and the integrity of the United Kingdom.

Pie in the Sky!

"We will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and become an independent coastal state again, with control over our waters."


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Aah, that is where we are going to park the 2 aircraft carriers.

''We will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and become an independent coastal state again, with control over our waters.''...We sacrificed the fishing industry under Heath and we would have done this time as well.

Maybe John Redwood would make a good PM - he has been waiting long enough.

Remember The Sun headline back in 1995 - "Redwood or Deadwood" maybe they need to run it again.

Redwood? you really have lost it now CT.