Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Great posts Exec.

Leaving the EU properly is neither difficult or painful.

The default position is to leave on the 29th March deal or no deal and as their is no majority for any one type of deal in Parliament then currently the most likely outcome is a clean break with ad hoc mini agreements as suggested above.

Fred , why would I need to pray.

People voted to leave and we are leaving on the 29th March. You need to pray someone can find a way of stopping it as I can't see one without Parliament defying the will of the people.

The will of the people, Dilbert?

Is this the 49% who currently think the UK are wrong to leave the EU? Or the 37% who think they're right? Or the other 14% who don't know where Wales is?

:o)

''Jezzer’s dog could do better then Bozo Johnson''

Alf, If your going to quote do quote right!

Not long now before the Informed Referendum now Dil.

Poor Stan. He's so miserable. You really do have to feel sorry for him.

Never seen Santa, Stan?

You should've gone to Specsavers

Ha ha wrong again E/L I'm neither poor or miserable..so like Alf get your facts right!

..Now get clearing that mess up -):

Talking of Santa......seen a house with a lit sign saying : Santa stop here...!....anyway...seeing what's going on in France...if there was a Frexit vote now....there would be an opting out majority I reckon.....the fact that they don't have or will not be allowed a gaulish referendum speaks for itself....

For the Breakers.

Hils 49 % ???

Ffs , that's a phone poll that includes people like Fred who will say anything to wind people up then not vote and a targeted bunch of kids who will say anything to get u off the phone so they can go back to sleep.

Keep praying :-)

Then the Breakers don't have any reason to be running scared of a second referendum.

if there is another referendum, regardless of the way it goes, should there then be yet another in say 5 years time if things are not panning out as one side or the other promised? ..... just to make sure that people feel they made the right choice of course

fwiw - not much!
that said it rather counters what CNG was posting

of course, any (very) close result will split and polarise the country even more
a good reason to live by the first?


The Independent’s Sunday edition carries an exclusive poll by BMG Research suggesting December saw the Remain vote edging into a majority among the public after months of steadily rising support. Almost half of those polled think May’s deal is a bad one. Perhaps this was all part of the plan?

Cyners,

There's not really any point in having another referendum in, say, 5 years time as that would be a referendum on whether to rejoin the EU rather than to remain. Rejoining would be on the EU's broad terms which would include adopting the euro, and the loss of the UK's rebate. There's no way the public would wear that.

If there's to be a second referendum, it really does need to be before the Withdrawal Agreement is ratified, and, even at this late stage in the day, the preparation needed would require an extension of Article 50.

The easiest solution really is for Parliament to just ignore the will of people and revoke Article 50. That would kill off a few gammon. :o)

The polls have suggested for some time that remain has a lead over leave. The Independent poll is significant insofar as it's the first poll to suggest that more than 50% of the public want to stay. Apparently, even Wales are having second thoughts now...

Consider who was the smart arse who decided to have a referendum in order to save his own neck and stop the torrid party from splitting.

A bit like a Manuel fluttering in the breeze. "All things to all men".

Dilbert,

As Fred alluded, if you're confident that leave would win a second referendum, you've nothing to worry about....

:o)

it was slightly tongue in cheek, but a 2nd referendum does rather smack of having one because a goodly number of people did not like the result of the first

however, if there is another vote, then that too is very likely to be close, with yet again a goodly number of people not liking the result ..... hence in honesty why i commented that perhaps there should be a 3rd one, if not in 5 years time (too soon) then in 10, and then on and on and on

Perhaps, after a 5 year period, there will be a meaningful General Elections!

Also, that manifestoes could be adhered to more closely or even binding. (With a Period of Limitations contracts. Government members pay would be made only after perusal of fulfillment of the contracts, or not.) 8-)

The problem there would be that those who draw them up would have to have the gift of foresight.

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What I would like to see revealed is the personal financial advantages of "Breakit" for those advocating the policy.

Possibly, we can see some of the possible advantages to the Readwoods, Moggies, Savages of the Neo-cons..

I want an uninformed 3 rd rerendum and a general election. Long YouGov

Martini,

You have already had one uninformed referendum and unlikely to be able to understand an "informed" one, even if granted.