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Is it time that Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes? (WAR2)
Fred1new
- 07 Dec 2005 16:40
This board has been a little to quiet for while.
Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?
Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?
Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.
As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?
Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?
Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?
Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?
Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.
As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?
Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?
maestro - 07 Oct 2006 22:08 - 1115 of 1327
TIME TO GET THE NEO-CONS
Jeb Bush gets rude welcome
Police disperse angry protesters in Downtown T-station
Saturday, October 07, 2006
By Ervin Dyer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, in town for a fund-raiser for Sen. Rick Santorum, had a close encounter with a large group of anti-Republican protesters as he was making his way to the Duquesne Club, Downtown.
It was about 4:15 yesterday when Mr. Bush met up with the protesters near the corner of Liberty and Sixth avenues. The protesters were marching to join other pickets already gathered in front of the exclusive club, a little more than a block away at 325 Sixth Ave.
Protesters said Gov. Bush blew them a kiss, acknowledging the crowd of about 30 chanting pickets that was made up of United Steelworkers and members of Uprise Counter Recruitment, a tour traveling through 22 cities to support anti-war efforts.
The protesters came closer.
"Jeb, go home," they shouted.
Mr. Bush, accompanied by a security guard and a female aide, made a slow retreat toward the T-station at Wood Street.
"He was quickly getting out of the way and not wanting to engage us," said Jon Vandenburgh, one of the protesters, who also is a researcher for the United Steelworkers.
Once in the subway station, Mr. Bush scurried to the escalators and descended to the mezzanine level, Mr. Vandenburgh said.
By now, Mr. Bush was cornered. He was surrounded by signs that said "Pittsburgh is a Santorum Free Zone," "Honk if you're sick of Rick," and a crowd growing increasingly louder, according to Mr. Vandenburgh.
"We don't want you here," protesters chanted.
Port Authority spokesman Bob Grove said six or seven officers responded to the scene to control the crowds.
He said Mr. Bush had been walking in the area near the T-station and the incident happened spontaneously when about 50 pickets "tailed him and stayed with him and went into the Wood Street station."
About 75 protesters remained on the street, said Mr. Grove.
He said the crowd was asked repeatedly to disperse.
Mr. Grove said a Port Authority canine unit was called in to help with crowd control. Two officers used their tasers to stun two protesters who "were asked to leave, but did not go," Mr. Grove said.
The tasers he said were empty of the cartridges that supply a more powerful charge.
"It was a very tense situation. They were very close to the governor and shouting on top of him."
As a precaution, the governor was ushered into a T-station supply closet and stayed there until the crowd left.
No arrests were made and no citations were issued, Mr. Grove said. Mr. Bush was not injured.
The two men who were tasered were shaken and left the protest, said David Meieran, with the Thomas Merton Center and one of the protesters with Uprise Counter Recruitment.
Mr. Meieran said the Port Authority officers were fairly aggressive and pushed them aside.
Pittsburgh police said they monitored the protest in front of the Duquesne Club, which they called peaceful, but did not respond to the incident in the T-station.
The entire incident lasted about 5 minutes. After calm was restored, the smaller group of protesters inside the T-station made their way back to the Duquesne Club where they staked out the front of the building and an alley entrance.
Mr. Vandenburgh and Mr. Meieran said they later saw Mr. Bush escorted to the Duquesne Club, which he entered through a back door at about 5 p.m.
A spokeswoman for Mr. Bush said she was unaware of the incident last night and had no immediate comment.
Jeb Bush gets rude welcome
Police disperse angry protesters in Downtown T-station
Saturday, October 07, 2006
By Ervin Dyer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, in town for a fund-raiser for Sen. Rick Santorum, had a close encounter with a large group of anti-Republican protesters as he was making his way to the Duquesne Club, Downtown.
It was about 4:15 yesterday when Mr. Bush met up with the protesters near the corner of Liberty and Sixth avenues. The protesters were marching to join other pickets already gathered in front of the exclusive club, a little more than a block away at 325 Sixth Ave.
Protesters said Gov. Bush blew them a kiss, acknowledging the crowd of about 30 chanting pickets that was made up of United Steelworkers and members of Uprise Counter Recruitment, a tour traveling through 22 cities to support anti-war efforts.
The protesters came closer.
"Jeb, go home," they shouted.
Mr. Bush, accompanied by a security guard and a female aide, made a slow retreat toward the T-station at Wood Street.
"He was quickly getting out of the way and not wanting to engage us," said Jon Vandenburgh, one of the protesters, who also is a researcher for the United Steelworkers.
Once in the subway station, Mr. Bush scurried to the escalators and descended to the mezzanine level, Mr. Vandenburgh said.
By now, Mr. Bush was cornered. He was surrounded by signs that said "Pittsburgh is a Santorum Free Zone," "Honk if you're sick of Rick," and a crowd growing increasingly louder, according to Mr. Vandenburgh.
"We don't want you here," protesters chanted.
Port Authority spokesman Bob Grove said six or seven officers responded to the scene to control the crowds.
He said Mr. Bush had been walking in the area near the T-station and the incident happened spontaneously when about 50 pickets "tailed him and stayed with him and went into the Wood Street station."
About 75 protesters remained on the street, said Mr. Grove.
He said the crowd was asked repeatedly to disperse.
Mr. Grove said a Port Authority canine unit was called in to help with crowd control. Two officers used their tasers to stun two protesters who "were asked to leave, but did not go," Mr. Grove said.
The tasers he said were empty of the cartridges that supply a more powerful charge.
"It was a very tense situation. They were very close to the governor and shouting on top of him."
As a precaution, the governor was ushered into a T-station supply closet and stayed there until the crowd left.
No arrests were made and no citations were issued, Mr. Grove said. Mr. Bush was not injured.
The two men who were tasered were shaken and left the protest, said David Meieran, with the Thomas Merton Center and one of the protesters with Uprise Counter Recruitment.
Mr. Meieran said the Port Authority officers were fairly aggressive and pushed them aside.
Pittsburgh police said they monitored the protest in front of the Duquesne Club, which they called peaceful, but did not respond to the incident in the T-station.
The entire incident lasted about 5 minutes. After calm was restored, the smaller group of protesters inside the T-station made their way back to the Duquesne Club where they staked out the front of the building and an alley entrance.
Mr. Vandenburgh and Mr. Meieran said they later saw Mr. Bush escorted to the Duquesne Club, which he entered through a back door at about 5 p.m.
A spokeswoman for Mr. Bush said she was unaware of the incident last night and had no immediate comment.
hewittalan6
- 07 Oct 2006 22:47
- 1116 of 1327
Again I find myself in a parallel universe. I read about a march in London, by illegal immigrants, complaining about not getting the rights they deserve.
I'm Sorry???? What rights would they be then?
What about the quotes??
"It is the migration control system that produces illegality,"
Yes, you'll find that is just the same as a theif who claims it is the Theft Act passed by parliament that makes him a criminal.
"They live in fear, afraid of looking for legal protection, and effectively banned from using public services."
Thats because they should not be here!! They are not allowed.
"We need to look at what makes people so-called "illegals" and why regulations are biased against particular groups, particularly those from non-European countries."
Had it escaped the notice of Rhian Benyon from JWCI , we are a part of the European union and Europeans have a right to be here.
It just amazes me, that we are seen as such a soft touch that even illegal immigrants can organise a march through our capital to complain we don't give them benefits and let them use the NHS. If our leaders had anything approaching a spine, the marchers would be led by the police to the nearest detention centre, checked to see if they were illegal, and dispatched pronto if they were.
Harsh?? Perhaps. Racially motivated?? No. These people are simply breaking the laws of the country they are in and should be dealt with as any criminal would be. Nothing racist about it.
I'm Sorry???? What rights would they be then?
What about the quotes??
"It is the migration control system that produces illegality,"
Yes, you'll find that is just the same as a theif who claims it is the Theft Act passed by parliament that makes him a criminal.
"They live in fear, afraid of looking for legal protection, and effectively banned from using public services."
Thats because they should not be here!! They are not allowed.
"We need to look at what makes people so-called "illegals" and why regulations are biased against particular groups, particularly those from non-European countries."
Had it escaped the notice of Rhian Benyon from JWCI , we are a part of the European union and Europeans have a right to be here.
It just amazes me, that we are seen as such a soft touch that even illegal immigrants can organise a march through our capital to complain we don't give them benefits and let them use the NHS. If our leaders had anything approaching a spine, the marchers would be led by the police to the nearest detention centre, checked to see if they were illegal, and dispatched pronto if they were.
Harsh?? Perhaps. Racially motivated?? No. These people are simply breaking the laws of the country they are in and should be dealt with as any criminal would be. Nothing racist about it.
driver
- 07 Oct 2006 23:00
- 1117 of 1327
That's not you is it Al?
hewittalan6
- 07 Oct 2006 23:18
- 1118 of 1327
With an American flag????
I thought you knew me, Driver!!!
Alan
I thought you knew me, Driver!!!
Alan
maestro - 08 Oct 2006 05:49 - 1119 of 1327
Hi all - just finished bashing this out - also you might like to take a
look at and link to this rather good little page full of cheap 911 DVD's!
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Public-Information-Films_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZQ2d
33QQftidZ2QQtZkm
And this important discussion about Dave, aliens and holograms here
http://groups.yahoo.com/redpepperdebare/
Tony
07786 952037
UK 911 truth media strategy - including how to fight and stop false flag
terrorism in the UK
as seen at
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=4631 and
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/10/352658.html
A strategy to stop state terrorist attacks being wrongly blamed on Muslims
- Expanded version of Tony Gosling's 911/media presentation from the
Brixton meeting of UK911Truth on Sunday 10th September 2006
Webster Tarpley's revelations about 'Able Danger' the terrorist exercise
team on 911 organised by US special forces, mean that we are beginning to
identify the true planners, inside the US military, of the 911 attacks. Yet
these facts are being deliberately kept from the European public by a
Western media who apparently refuse to listen.
So how can those of us who understand that 'False Flag' 911 type attacks
have been going on for many years' work to change that?
Introduction
With the reporting of 21st Century terrorism the British press has let the
public down catastrophically. It is as if Allan Francovich's three
Timewatch 'Gladio' documentaries of 1992, showing far-right NATO Special
Forces gunning down and blowing up hundreds of innocent European civilians,
had never been made.
Through systematic bias and a criminally complicit government the BBC,
which the public is legally forced to fund, has turned on us and become an
accessory to the crime. Despite the wealth of evidence to the contrary, the
corporation's misleading and partial coverage is that of the discredited
Metropolitan Police and MI5 anonymous 'narrative' line of unproven but
'obvious' Islamic guilt. After London's most devastating attack since the
blitz, Londoners are told there will be no enquiry and to: 'trust us,
they're suicide bombers'.
The Corporation crossed a lethal professional line when it decided to refer
to the four 7/7 suspects as 'suicide bombers'. By rubber stamping Muslim
guilt here in the UK, ignoring Peter Power/Visor Consultants' parallel
exercise; the Netenyahu/Scotland Yard warning and other hard facts, the
corporation has taken on a leading role in an anti-Muslim pogrom. BBC
actions now fly in the face of its motto carved on Broadcasting House,
'Nation Shall Speak Peace Unto Nation', as its one-sided presentation of
the facts of modern terrorism assumes a NeoCon/Zionist case for a religious
war against Islam and for Islamic oil.
The fact that such an extraordinary proportion of the corporation, and
other mainstream media's senior staff, are Jewish begins to look less a
result of 'fears of another Jewish holocaust' or 'individual merit' and
more a Pro-Israeli, anti-Arab bias which has urgently to be corrected.
A professional journalistic blunder is committed with almost every new
story of a 'suicide bomber'. Whether a bomb explodes accidentally, by
remote control or if a 'bomber' believes he has a shipment of cocaine in
his bag he's still likely to be termed a 'suicide bomber' in the news. In
April 2004 Bush's Iraq chief Paul Bremer initiated the Iraqi insurgency by
closing down the Al Sadr newspaper. The reason? The editor had printed a
front page lead story that a 'suicide bomb' in a bus queue was, according
to eyewitnesses, actually a missile fired from a helicopter. The newspaper
was closed down by the US Army the next day.
The simple lie, referring to a 'suicide bomber' on the say-so of military
'contacts' with little or no evidence, is a propaganda narrative of which
Josef Goebbels himself would be proud. It sends out a clear message
demonising the target racial or religious group as 'insane', dangerous and
impossible to reason with. Condemned with no proof, no court case the lie
of the 'suicide-bomber' is not only bad journalism, it seeds genuine
terrorism. When a racial or religious group, after false flag attacks,
becomes demonised and targeted by racists it begins to fight back and give
rise to real terrorism.
False flag or domestic state terrorism is proving a horrific but successful
tool both to persuade MP's to wage war, and cow populations into accepting
a stripping away of civil liberties. The horror 'serves well' to dissuade
almost everyone, including police and investigative journalists from
addressing the truth and pursuing the true criminals. The aversion to
believing states can kill their own people means that everybody wants to
believe 'official lies' but what sort of world does that leave for our
children?
Identifying, fighting and stopping false flag attacks - be prepared!
Horrific unprovoked massacres at Supermarkets and Railway Stations, no
wonder people want to forget them. But we do so at our peril as they
explain many oddities with terrorism 'spectaculars' today. 'Gladio' False
Flag 'Strategy of Tension' attacks have been going on throughout Europe
under the watch of NATO Intelligence's Clandestine Planning Committee (CPC)
since the 1960's. It all became public with an Italian Parliamentary
Enquiry in 1990 followed by one in Belgium. Make sure your local
politicians, soldiers, journalists and police force are aware of Gladio,
maybe by giving them a DVD copy of Allan Francovich's BBC Timewatch series.
2nd SS Panzer Korps Oberstgruppenfrer Paul Hausser said after the war
that NATO was "formed from the international brigades of the SS". Gladio,
which was organised by NATO, is alleged by Belgian journalist Rene Haquin
to be "a secret army on the model of the SS". Hundreds of innocent people
have been killed in false flag terrorist attacks, particularly in Belgium
and Italy, where Prime Minister Aldo Moro was kidnapped then assassinated
for inviting Communists to join the Italian Government. These attacks were
blamed on leftist groups such as Baader Meinhof, Red Brigades etc. which
came out of the 1968 student uprisings. So be on your guard, the rogue
network looks increasingly to be an 'ODESSA' organisation and there is no
reason to think the 7/7 attack on London will be their last.
Be vigilant for warning signs such as drills or exercises, 'power failures'
or unusual delays including unusual announcements on tube or rail station
platforms or other public places. Carry recording equipment, camera and
notebook with you at all times and keep contact details of all those you
question. Use your right to take pictures of or film anyone who approaches
or follows you and do not be afraid of arrest. If the police are either too
embarrassed to admit their failures or complicit in false flag terror it is
up to us ordinary people to gather evidence and find ways round them if
necessary.
Much interesting information comes out in the hours immediately following a
false flag attack. Set your radio cassette, computer, and DVD/VHS to record
as much output as possible for later use. It is interesting to note that
almost all London's Indymedia (IM) reporters were away from town covering
the G8 in Gleneagles on the day of the 7/7 attacks. If you find strong
evidence that points to a false flag attack, check the source then contact
every newsroom you can immediately. If you found the info. on the Internet,
save it immediately as a PDF file for later use as much material evidence
was published on the net, noticed by the rogue network and removed after
legal threats. Remind all publishers that legal threats and/or polite
requests to remove 'inaccurate' articles will probably originate with the
rogue network.
Choose your favoured method, writing, photography, audio or video and
practice until you know you can turn up at the scene of a 'terrorist
attack' able to gather evidence by talking to survivors or eyewitnesses or
simply taking pictures. Familiarise yourself with how to upload files to IM
and remember, if their editors tamper with or hide your material you can
make a fuss about it, republish it as many times as you want on IM and
there are always other places you can publish too along with the fact that
it's been hidden on IM.
Keep a list of newsdesk phone numbers for your favourite news services so
you can become a freelance journalist for the day. You can telephone TV
news or the papers before publishing your pictures or copy free on the net
but don't let them faff you about. If they do, get their name and politely
ask to speak to the editor. Remember, if you come across a scoop or take a
good photograph you may be able to sell an exclusive for a five-figure sum!
Mainstream mass media
The battle for public opinion
Centuries ago the Egyptian state mislead its people by censoring anything
which showed its leaders in a bad light. Today, the battle for public
opinion is much more subtle and being fought by a secret 'rogue network' of
which researchers, producers and media managers are largely unaware. With
tentacles in the secret state, police, the City of London, politics, press
etc. the network keeps several steps ahead of the game. It uses the vacuum
of information immediately following 'spectacular' false flag terror events
to disseminate lies, which soon become myths. The rogue network then acts
through its media owners and agents to discredit anyone who comes close to
gaining enough exposure to challenge that myth and there is a reluctance
amongst production staff to backtrack, a reluctance to admit professional
mistakes. The rogue network also like to infiltrate our movement so that
they can have pieces 'on both sides of the chessboard'.
Phone-ins
0500 909 693, 0207 224 2000, learn these phone in numbers and use them.
Phone-ins are the least used and most obvious way by which anyone can
simply pick up a phone and present thousands of people with evidence (or
just opinion) that 911 was an inside job, or point out misconceptions with
any attack. Challenge the assumption that 'suicide bombers' were behind the
7/7 attacks, and remember, millions of people have simply not been posed
basic questions like 'where was the US Air force for 1 hr 45 minutes on
911?'
Having worked on these shows I can tell you that some days there is a
distinct lack of people calling in and that those producing the programme
are only too happy to have someone make a controversial point to get the
show going. Some phone-ins are on specific topics and others are an
'anything goes' so try to choose your phone-in sensibly. Particularly if
you can move a stale debate on terrorism on by pointing out the lack of
evidence that the four so-called 'London bombers' actually did it. A list
of eight or ten 'killer questions' to hand might be helpful to have handy
while you're on the air, see if you can get them all the questions in!
Why so little critique of the 911 tissue of lies?
Mainstream media is moving closer every day to the monolithic multinational
model. Safeguards such as guarantees of regional ITV news and locally
produced programmes have gone out of the window to benefit shareholders.
These are some of the main reasons the media has failed us over 911 and
terrorism as a whole.
1. Long time lag as evidence emerges - journalists don't know the facts
2. Journalists' fear - job insecurity is exacerbated by low wages
3. 'Burden of proof' is skewed in favour of government
4. Downing St./NeoCon/Zionist/MI6 (I/OPS) penetration of editorial process
- journalists' copy scanned & censored before publication
5. High cost of investigative journalism - pressure of time means
journalists don't leave the office
6. Ideological influence of media's financial backers, banks and shareholders
7. Young and/or credulous candidates employed as journalists because
they're cheap and don't ask too many questions
8. Reluctance to backtrack - "sorry everyone we got it wrong!"
Personal relationships
Behind the scenes journalists discuss at length the reliability of sources
and contacts. Whispering campaigns abound which is why it's essential to
speak to journalists personally, and build up a list of contacts (see 911
truth PR - below).
911 truth alternative media
Webster Tarpley - Able Danger
Brilliant -Tarpley identifies US Special Forces exercise Able Danger/Able
Warrior as at the heart of 911 - drills and exercises that 'turn real' are
clearly the preferred MO of Gladio, 911 and 7/7 - see and read - nuff said
Mad Cow Productions - case study
If you haven't seen all Daniel Hopsicker's various 911 and related DVD's
then do please have a look. His professional experience has taught him to
travel to the scene of the myth creation to do primary research which blows
that myth apart. For example in Venice, Florida where the 911 'hijackers'
supposedly 'learned to fly' Daniel interviews witnesses who pour scorn on
the official version of events.
Many of these local witnesses want to explode the myth. The lies they see
in the mainstream press coverage can make them puzzled and angry. They
often feel a necessity to 'unburden themselves'. You may remember that
people who were in key positions as witnesses to 911 'hijacker training' in
Venice found that crucial evidence was either 'lost' by the FBI or never
gathered in the first place. The same happened in London with at least one
witness to the killing of Jean Charles De Menezes at Stockwell contacting
the anti-terror 'hotline' only to be told later that his contact details
and statement had been 'lost'. This leaves people feeling let down and
undervalued by a criminalised or otherwise inadequate law enforcement
system and often only too happy to talk on camera.
Through a lot of original hard work and determination Daniel has built up
the credibility to get well known public figures to front his productions
and shown beyond a shadow of a doubt how much more fruitful the 'inside
job' line of enquiry is than the barmy conspiracy theories!
911 truth radio - case study
Back in 2004 I came across Simon Aaronowiz's www.911truthradio.com
internet radio site. He put together a 14 hour continuous audio loop of
mostly telephone interviews with key 'witnesses for the prosecution' for
911 being an inside job, interspersed with music. At the Dialect Radio
Co-op in Bristol we were relaying that audio stream off the London
Indymedia server at Rackspace when it was famously seized, without
explanation, by the FBI.
To build 911 truth radio Simon bought an eight channel audio mixer with
clean feed for 150 and a Telebalance unit for about the same price. These
are available from Canford Audio, Broadcast Warehouse and other radio
equipment stockists. He also used two computers, one to stream the audio
using Shoutcast software and the other to play in music and pre-recorded
interviews. The end result was streamed at 8-16k bitrate so that it could
be heard uninterrupted on a dialup account. It is also possible to have an
extra 32-64k bitstream to give broadband listeners an FM rather than AM
sound quality. On top of this 350 a relay server costs about 20 a month
or you may be able to use Indymedia which is free. Most importantly this
unique 14 hour loop of evidence was produced with minimum time and manpower.
911 truth UK press relations
Journalists are very busy people but they appreciate being forewarned of
significant events and informed of significant stuff they don't know in
the immediate aftermath. As a movement we need to absolutely sharpen up and
focus attention on our eight killer questions of 911. These are the points
and questions which will persuade people to take our cause seriously rather
than ridicule it. We hold our movement up to ridicule if we don't insist on
discussing 911 on solid ground.
We need a London based team to build on contacts within the mainstream
press and independent production companies to get articles placed and
documentaries commissioned. This team should have an identifiable logo for
all press releases and well trained spokespeople who have the discipline to
stick to hard facts and the confidence to think on their feet during a live
interview.
Windows of opportunity
There are times when news programmes are much more likely to cover issues
we are concerned about. And we must identify and use those windows by
following the news and proactively contacting newsdesks with our point of
view. "Who is working on the X story, we may have something for them"
Psychology and spirituality
Opposing what is probably the best financed and technologically advanced
rogue network in history is an intimidating task. Sometimes it can be
difficult to see how the ultimate triumph of truth, righteousness and
justice will ever materialise.
There are powerful psychological forces at work when challenging an
earth-shattering lie like the 911 myth. Adolf Hitler knew this well and
used it to his advantage cowing much of the German population and that of
occupied nations with his myth of the German 'master race' the scapegoating
of the Jews, Gypsies etc. and the ultimate threat of the concentration camp.
The rogue network appears to have, at its core, a Nazi-like 'death cult',
possibly linked to the Skull and Bones club at Yale University, that
accrues power from spilling innocent human blood and from the knowledge
that the more evil it becomes the less anyone will dare to take it on. Put
bluntly, the fact that press and public 'don't want to go there' is an
essential psychological element in the rogue network's depraved plans.
Spiritual beliefs and an understanding that we are not fighting alone are
essential if one is not to give up in the face of apparently overwhelming
odds. But the forces of darkness know this and are certain to be preparing
their own man-made phoney spiritual solutions. Beware of spiritual paths
promising 'hidden knowledge'. Freemasonry, Scientology or Spain's 'Nuevo
Acropolis' are examples. Truth is pure and simple stuff, it neither thrives
nor is it disseminated in a secretive way. As Carl Jung said: "The
maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison that alienates the
possessor from the community."
The most powerful weapon we have may simply be our own love of
righteousness expressed through prayer, meditation and spiritual fellowship.
It is not enough to curse the darkness ... it is also necessary to light a
lamp
As well as dismantling the 911 myth with hard evidence it we have a
responsibility to point the way, as a sort of 'deep-ecology' 911 truth
policy, towards a world where cataclysmic fraud like 911 can never happen
again. George Monbiot's The Age of Consent begins to address international
politics.
Nationalisation of money, land, water, energy and even the railways would
all massively thwart the rogue network's private plan to own our world. We
have to show we're clear about what exactly would make the world a better
place, however 'impossible' people tell us those reforms are. Humour and
ridicule of idiotic puffed-up 'leaders' plays a crucial part in this.
Summary
We cannot entirely blame the mainstream press for not dealing with our
issues for one central reason: Few people have a good enough grasp of the
facts of 911 and 7/7, even fewer are able to 'go public' and articulate
those facts with any confidence, therefore nobody but the 911 truth
movement can make a case for producing a 911 sceptic documentary. i.e.
They don't know what we know!
We assume too easily that the facts which brought us to a 911 sceptic point
of view are known about, so when making our case we must bear two things in
mind.
1) To aim as much of our material as possible at an audience that believes
the official version of events covering all the questions they are likely
to have about our evidence and never assuming any audience knowledge other
than the official version.
2) We must allow as our spokespeople only those who stick to the territory
which we are sure of such as eyewitness accounts of explosions or hijackers
inability to fly, not get side-tracked with techno-babble we can't prove
such as 'holograms' or 'pods'. This stuff should be for internal
discussion, a kind of peer review, only. Anyone who breaks ranks with
easily discredited speculative stuff is 'pissing in the pot'.
Links and further reading
Exemplary media
Daniel Hopsicker - http://www.madcowprod.com
Webster Tarpley - http://www.tarpley.net
Operation Gladio - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio - DVD
available from http://www.bilderberg.org/videos.htm
Campaigns
look at and link to this rather good little page full of cheap 911 DVD's!
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Public-Information-Films_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZQ2d
33QQftidZ2QQtZkm
And this important discussion about Dave, aliens and holograms here
http://groups.yahoo.com/redpepperdebare/
Tony
07786 952037
UK 911 truth media strategy - including how to fight and stop false flag
terrorism in the UK
as seen at
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=4631 and
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/10/352658.html
A strategy to stop state terrorist attacks being wrongly blamed on Muslims
- Expanded version of Tony Gosling's 911/media presentation from the
Brixton meeting of UK911Truth on Sunday 10th September 2006
Webster Tarpley's revelations about 'Able Danger' the terrorist exercise
team on 911 organised by US special forces, mean that we are beginning to
identify the true planners, inside the US military, of the 911 attacks. Yet
these facts are being deliberately kept from the European public by a
Western media who apparently refuse to listen.
So how can those of us who understand that 'False Flag' 911 type attacks
have been going on for many years' work to change that?
Introduction
With the reporting of 21st Century terrorism the British press has let the
public down catastrophically. It is as if Allan Francovich's three
Timewatch 'Gladio' documentaries of 1992, showing far-right NATO Special
Forces gunning down and blowing up hundreds of innocent European civilians,
had never been made.
Through systematic bias and a criminally complicit government the BBC,
which the public is legally forced to fund, has turned on us and become an
accessory to the crime. Despite the wealth of evidence to the contrary, the
corporation's misleading and partial coverage is that of the discredited
Metropolitan Police and MI5 anonymous 'narrative' line of unproven but
'obvious' Islamic guilt. After London's most devastating attack since the
blitz, Londoners are told there will be no enquiry and to: 'trust us,
they're suicide bombers'.
The Corporation crossed a lethal professional line when it decided to refer
to the four 7/7 suspects as 'suicide bombers'. By rubber stamping Muslim
guilt here in the UK, ignoring Peter Power/Visor Consultants' parallel
exercise; the Netenyahu/Scotland Yard warning and other hard facts, the
corporation has taken on a leading role in an anti-Muslim pogrom. BBC
actions now fly in the face of its motto carved on Broadcasting House,
'Nation Shall Speak Peace Unto Nation', as its one-sided presentation of
the facts of modern terrorism assumes a NeoCon/Zionist case for a religious
war against Islam and for Islamic oil.
The fact that such an extraordinary proportion of the corporation, and
other mainstream media's senior staff, are Jewish begins to look less a
result of 'fears of another Jewish holocaust' or 'individual merit' and
more a Pro-Israeli, anti-Arab bias which has urgently to be corrected.
A professional journalistic blunder is committed with almost every new
story of a 'suicide bomber'. Whether a bomb explodes accidentally, by
remote control or if a 'bomber' believes he has a shipment of cocaine in
his bag he's still likely to be termed a 'suicide bomber' in the news. In
April 2004 Bush's Iraq chief Paul Bremer initiated the Iraqi insurgency by
closing down the Al Sadr newspaper. The reason? The editor had printed a
front page lead story that a 'suicide bomb' in a bus queue was, according
to eyewitnesses, actually a missile fired from a helicopter. The newspaper
was closed down by the US Army the next day.
The simple lie, referring to a 'suicide bomber' on the say-so of military
'contacts' with little or no evidence, is a propaganda narrative of which
Josef Goebbels himself would be proud. It sends out a clear message
demonising the target racial or religious group as 'insane', dangerous and
impossible to reason with. Condemned with no proof, no court case the lie
of the 'suicide-bomber' is not only bad journalism, it seeds genuine
terrorism. When a racial or religious group, after false flag attacks,
becomes demonised and targeted by racists it begins to fight back and give
rise to real terrorism.
False flag or domestic state terrorism is proving a horrific but successful
tool both to persuade MP's to wage war, and cow populations into accepting
a stripping away of civil liberties. The horror 'serves well' to dissuade
almost everyone, including police and investigative journalists from
addressing the truth and pursuing the true criminals. The aversion to
believing states can kill their own people means that everybody wants to
believe 'official lies' but what sort of world does that leave for our
children?
Identifying, fighting and stopping false flag attacks - be prepared!
Horrific unprovoked massacres at Supermarkets and Railway Stations, no
wonder people want to forget them. But we do so at our peril as they
explain many oddities with terrorism 'spectaculars' today. 'Gladio' False
Flag 'Strategy of Tension' attacks have been going on throughout Europe
under the watch of NATO Intelligence's Clandestine Planning Committee (CPC)
since the 1960's. It all became public with an Italian Parliamentary
Enquiry in 1990 followed by one in Belgium. Make sure your local
politicians, soldiers, journalists and police force are aware of Gladio,
maybe by giving them a DVD copy of Allan Francovich's BBC Timewatch series.
2nd SS Panzer Korps Oberstgruppenfrer Paul Hausser said after the war
that NATO was "formed from the international brigades of the SS". Gladio,
which was organised by NATO, is alleged by Belgian journalist Rene Haquin
to be "a secret army on the model of the SS". Hundreds of innocent people
have been killed in false flag terrorist attacks, particularly in Belgium
and Italy, where Prime Minister Aldo Moro was kidnapped then assassinated
for inviting Communists to join the Italian Government. These attacks were
blamed on leftist groups such as Baader Meinhof, Red Brigades etc. which
came out of the 1968 student uprisings. So be on your guard, the rogue
network looks increasingly to be an 'ODESSA' organisation and there is no
reason to think the 7/7 attack on London will be their last.
Be vigilant for warning signs such as drills or exercises, 'power failures'
or unusual delays including unusual announcements on tube or rail station
platforms or other public places. Carry recording equipment, camera and
notebook with you at all times and keep contact details of all those you
question. Use your right to take pictures of or film anyone who approaches
or follows you and do not be afraid of arrest. If the police are either too
embarrassed to admit their failures or complicit in false flag terror it is
up to us ordinary people to gather evidence and find ways round them if
necessary.
Much interesting information comes out in the hours immediately following a
false flag attack. Set your radio cassette, computer, and DVD/VHS to record
as much output as possible for later use. It is interesting to note that
almost all London's Indymedia (IM) reporters were away from town covering
the G8 in Gleneagles on the day of the 7/7 attacks. If you find strong
evidence that points to a false flag attack, check the source then contact
every newsroom you can immediately. If you found the info. on the Internet,
save it immediately as a PDF file for later use as much material evidence
was published on the net, noticed by the rogue network and removed after
legal threats. Remind all publishers that legal threats and/or polite
requests to remove 'inaccurate' articles will probably originate with the
rogue network.
Choose your favoured method, writing, photography, audio or video and
practice until you know you can turn up at the scene of a 'terrorist
attack' able to gather evidence by talking to survivors or eyewitnesses or
simply taking pictures. Familiarise yourself with how to upload files to IM
and remember, if their editors tamper with or hide your material you can
make a fuss about it, republish it as many times as you want on IM and
there are always other places you can publish too along with the fact that
it's been hidden on IM.
Keep a list of newsdesk phone numbers for your favourite news services so
you can become a freelance journalist for the day. You can telephone TV
news or the papers before publishing your pictures or copy free on the net
but don't let them faff you about. If they do, get their name and politely
ask to speak to the editor. Remember, if you come across a scoop or take a
good photograph you may be able to sell an exclusive for a five-figure sum!
Mainstream mass media
The battle for public opinion
Centuries ago the Egyptian state mislead its people by censoring anything
which showed its leaders in a bad light. Today, the battle for public
opinion is much more subtle and being fought by a secret 'rogue network' of
which researchers, producers and media managers are largely unaware. With
tentacles in the secret state, police, the City of London, politics, press
etc. the network keeps several steps ahead of the game. It uses the vacuum
of information immediately following 'spectacular' false flag terror events
to disseminate lies, which soon become myths. The rogue network then acts
through its media owners and agents to discredit anyone who comes close to
gaining enough exposure to challenge that myth and there is a reluctance
amongst production staff to backtrack, a reluctance to admit professional
mistakes. The rogue network also like to infiltrate our movement so that
they can have pieces 'on both sides of the chessboard'.
Phone-ins
0500 909 693, 0207 224 2000, learn these phone in numbers and use them.
Phone-ins are the least used and most obvious way by which anyone can
simply pick up a phone and present thousands of people with evidence (or
just opinion) that 911 was an inside job, or point out misconceptions with
any attack. Challenge the assumption that 'suicide bombers' were behind the
7/7 attacks, and remember, millions of people have simply not been posed
basic questions like 'where was the US Air force for 1 hr 45 minutes on
911?'
Having worked on these shows I can tell you that some days there is a
distinct lack of people calling in and that those producing the programme
are only too happy to have someone make a controversial point to get the
show going. Some phone-ins are on specific topics and others are an
'anything goes' so try to choose your phone-in sensibly. Particularly if
you can move a stale debate on terrorism on by pointing out the lack of
evidence that the four so-called 'London bombers' actually did it. A list
of eight or ten 'killer questions' to hand might be helpful to have handy
while you're on the air, see if you can get them all the questions in!
Why so little critique of the 911 tissue of lies?
Mainstream media is moving closer every day to the monolithic multinational
model. Safeguards such as guarantees of regional ITV news and locally
produced programmes have gone out of the window to benefit shareholders.
These are some of the main reasons the media has failed us over 911 and
terrorism as a whole.
1. Long time lag as evidence emerges - journalists don't know the facts
2. Journalists' fear - job insecurity is exacerbated by low wages
3. 'Burden of proof' is skewed in favour of government
4. Downing St./NeoCon/Zionist/MI6 (I/OPS) penetration of editorial process
- journalists' copy scanned & censored before publication
5. High cost of investigative journalism - pressure of time means
journalists don't leave the office
6. Ideological influence of media's financial backers, banks and shareholders
7. Young and/or credulous candidates employed as journalists because
they're cheap and don't ask too many questions
8. Reluctance to backtrack - "sorry everyone we got it wrong!"
Personal relationships
Behind the scenes journalists discuss at length the reliability of sources
and contacts. Whispering campaigns abound which is why it's essential to
speak to journalists personally, and build up a list of contacts (see 911
truth PR - below).
911 truth alternative media
Webster Tarpley - Able Danger
Brilliant -Tarpley identifies US Special Forces exercise Able Danger/Able
Warrior as at the heart of 911 - drills and exercises that 'turn real' are
clearly the preferred MO of Gladio, 911 and 7/7 - see and read - nuff said
Mad Cow Productions - case study
If you haven't seen all Daniel Hopsicker's various 911 and related DVD's
then do please have a look. His professional experience has taught him to
travel to the scene of the myth creation to do primary research which blows
that myth apart. For example in Venice, Florida where the 911 'hijackers'
supposedly 'learned to fly' Daniel interviews witnesses who pour scorn on
the official version of events.
Many of these local witnesses want to explode the myth. The lies they see
in the mainstream press coverage can make them puzzled and angry. They
often feel a necessity to 'unburden themselves'. You may remember that
people who were in key positions as witnesses to 911 'hijacker training' in
Venice found that crucial evidence was either 'lost' by the FBI or never
gathered in the first place. The same happened in London with at least one
witness to the killing of Jean Charles De Menezes at Stockwell contacting
the anti-terror 'hotline' only to be told later that his contact details
and statement had been 'lost'. This leaves people feeling let down and
undervalued by a criminalised or otherwise inadequate law enforcement
system and often only too happy to talk on camera.
Through a lot of original hard work and determination Daniel has built up
the credibility to get well known public figures to front his productions
and shown beyond a shadow of a doubt how much more fruitful the 'inside
job' line of enquiry is than the barmy conspiracy theories!
911 truth radio - case study
Back in 2004 I came across Simon Aaronowiz's www.911truthradio.com
internet radio site. He put together a 14 hour continuous audio loop of
mostly telephone interviews with key 'witnesses for the prosecution' for
911 being an inside job, interspersed with music. At the Dialect Radio
Co-op in Bristol we were relaying that audio stream off the London
Indymedia server at Rackspace when it was famously seized, without
explanation, by the FBI.
To build 911 truth radio Simon bought an eight channel audio mixer with
clean feed for 150 and a Telebalance unit for about the same price. These
are available from Canford Audio, Broadcast Warehouse and other radio
equipment stockists. He also used two computers, one to stream the audio
using Shoutcast software and the other to play in music and pre-recorded
interviews. The end result was streamed at 8-16k bitrate so that it could
be heard uninterrupted on a dialup account. It is also possible to have an
extra 32-64k bitstream to give broadband listeners an FM rather than AM
sound quality. On top of this 350 a relay server costs about 20 a month
or you may be able to use Indymedia which is free. Most importantly this
unique 14 hour loop of evidence was produced with minimum time and manpower.
911 truth UK press relations
Journalists are very busy people but they appreciate being forewarned of
significant events and informed of significant stuff they don't know in
the immediate aftermath. As a movement we need to absolutely sharpen up and
focus attention on our eight killer questions of 911. These are the points
and questions which will persuade people to take our cause seriously rather
than ridicule it. We hold our movement up to ridicule if we don't insist on
discussing 911 on solid ground.
We need a London based team to build on contacts within the mainstream
press and independent production companies to get articles placed and
documentaries commissioned. This team should have an identifiable logo for
all press releases and well trained spokespeople who have the discipline to
stick to hard facts and the confidence to think on their feet during a live
interview.
Windows of opportunity
There are times when news programmes are much more likely to cover issues
we are concerned about. And we must identify and use those windows by
following the news and proactively contacting newsdesks with our point of
view. "Who is working on the X story, we may have something for them"
Psychology and spirituality
Opposing what is probably the best financed and technologically advanced
rogue network in history is an intimidating task. Sometimes it can be
difficult to see how the ultimate triumph of truth, righteousness and
justice will ever materialise.
There are powerful psychological forces at work when challenging an
earth-shattering lie like the 911 myth. Adolf Hitler knew this well and
used it to his advantage cowing much of the German population and that of
occupied nations with his myth of the German 'master race' the scapegoating
of the Jews, Gypsies etc. and the ultimate threat of the concentration camp.
The rogue network appears to have, at its core, a Nazi-like 'death cult',
possibly linked to the Skull and Bones club at Yale University, that
accrues power from spilling innocent human blood and from the knowledge
that the more evil it becomes the less anyone will dare to take it on. Put
bluntly, the fact that press and public 'don't want to go there' is an
essential psychological element in the rogue network's depraved plans.
Spiritual beliefs and an understanding that we are not fighting alone are
essential if one is not to give up in the face of apparently overwhelming
odds. But the forces of darkness know this and are certain to be preparing
their own man-made phoney spiritual solutions. Beware of spiritual paths
promising 'hidden knowledge'. Freemasonry, Scientology or Spain's 'Nuevo
Acropolis' are examples. Truth is pure and simple stuff, it neither thrives
nor is it disseminated in a secretive way. As Carl Jung said: "The
maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison that alienates the
possessor from the community."
The most powerful weapon we have may simply be our own love of
righteousness expressed through prayer, meditation and spiritual fellowship.
It is not enough to curse the darkness ... it is also necessary to light a
lamp
As well as dismantling the 911 myth with hard evidence it we have a
responsibility to point the way, as a sort of 'deep-ecology' 911 truth
policy, towards a world where cataclysmic fraud like 911 can never happen
again. George Monbiot's The Age of Consent begins to address international
politics.
Nationalisation of money, land, water, energy and even the railways would
all massively thwart the rogue network's private plan to own our world. We
have to show we're clear about what exactly would make the world a better
place, however 'impossible' people tell us those reforms are. Humour and
ridicule of idiotic puffed-up 'leaders' plays a crucial part in this.
Summary
We cannot entirely blame the mainstream press for not dealing with our
issues for one central reason: Few people have a good enough grasp of the
facts of 911 and 7/7, even fewer are able to 'go public' and articulate
those facts with any confidence, therefore nobody but the 911 truth
movement can make a case for producing a 911 sceptic documentary. i.e.
They don't know what we know!
We assume too easily that the facts which brought us to a 911 sceptic point
of view are known about, so when making our case we must bear two things in
mind.
1) To aim as much of our material as possible at an audience that believes
the official version of events covering all the questions they are likely
to have about our evidence and never assuming any audience knowledge other
than the official version.
2) We must allow as our spokespeople only those who stick to the territory
which we are sure of such as eyewitness accounts of explosions or hijackers
inability to fly, not get side-tracked with techno-babble we can't prove
such as 'holograms' or 'pods'. This stuff should be for internal
discussion, a kind of peer review, only. Anyone who breaks ranks with
easily discredited speculative stuff is 'pissing in the pot'.
Links and further reading
Exemplary media
Daniel Hopsicker - http://www.madcowprod.com
Webster Tarpley - http://www.tarpley.net
Operation Gladio - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio - DVD
available from http://www.bilderberg.org/videos.htm
Campaigns
barwoni - 08 Oct 2006 10:20 - 1120 of 1327
It was okay for europe to go to Africa take all the minerals/land and anything else they wanted...People should be free to live and work anywhere they wish in this world........As long as they do it peaceably.
Although human migration has existed for hundreds of thousands of years, immigration in the modern sense refers to movement of people from one nation-state to another, where they are not citizens. Immigration implies long-term permanent residence by the immigrants: tourists and short-term visitors are not considered immigrants. However, seasonal labour migration (typically for periods of less than a year) is often treated as a form of immigration. The global volume of immigration is high in absolute terms, but low in relative terms. The UN estimated 190 million international migrants in 2005, about 3% of global population. The other 97% still live in the state in which they were born, or its successor state.
The modern idea of immigration is related to the development, especially in the 19th century, of nation-states with clear citizenship criteria, passports, permanent border controls, and nationality law. Citizenship of a nation-state confers an inalienable right of residence in that state, but residence of immigrants is subject to conditions set by immigration law. Immigration without official approval can be a crime under these laws, and even if it is not defined as a crime, they usually provide for the detention of illegal immigrants. The nation-state also made immigration a political issue: by definition it is the homeland of a nation defined by shared ethnicity and/or culture, and in most cases immigrants have a different ethnicity and culture. This has led to social tensions, xenophobia, and conflicts about national identity, in many developed countries.
Although human migration has existed for hundreds of thousands of years, immigration in the modern sense refers to movement of people from one nation-state to another, where they are not citizens. Immigration implies long-term permanent residence by the immigrants: tourists and short-term visitors are not considered immigrants. However, seasonal labour migration (typically for periods of less than a year) is often treated as a form of immigration. The global volume of immigration is high in absolute terms, but low in relative terms. The UN estimated 190 million international migrants in 2005, about 3% of global population. The other 97% still live in the state in which they were born, or its successor state.
The modern idea of immigration is related to the development, especially in the 19th century, of nation-states with clear citizenship criteria, passports, permanent border controls, and nationality law. Citizenship of a nation-state confers an inalienable right of residence in that state, but residence of immigrants is subject to conditions set by immigration law. Immigration without official approval can be a crime under these laws, and even if it is not defined as a crime, they usually provide for the detention of illegal immigrants. The nation-state also made immigration a political issue: by definition it is the homeland of a nation defined by shared ethnicity and/or culture, and in most cases immigrants have a different ethnicity and culture. This has led to social tensions, xenophobia, and conflicts about national identity, in many developed countries.
barwoni - 08 Oct 2006 10:21 - 1121 of 1327
Theories of migration traditionally distinguish between push factors and pull factors. Push factors refer primarily to the motive for emigration from the country of origin. In the case of economic migration (usually labour migration), differentials in wage rates are prominent. Poor individuals from less developed countries can have far higher standards of living in developed countries, than in their originating countries. Escape from poverty is a traditional push factor, the availability of jobs is the related pull factor. The migrants may wish to send remittances to their family. Natural disasters can amplify poverty-driven migration flows. This kind of migration may be illegal immigration in the destination country (emigration is also illegal in some countries, but not as controversial).
Emigration and immigration are sometimes implicit in a contract of employment: employees of multinational corporations, international non-governmental organisations and the diplomatic service can expect to work 'overseas'. They are often referred to as 'expatriates', and their conditions of employment are typically equal to or better than those applying in the host country (for similar work).
For some migrants, education is the primary pull factor (note that students on limited visas are often not defined as immigrants). Retirement migration from rich countries to lower-cost countries with better climate, is a new type of international migration. An example is immigration of retired British citizens to Spain. Some immigrants justify their drive to be in a different country for cultural or health related reasons, while young people from developed countries choose to migrate as a form of self expression towards the establishment or to satisfy their need to perceive directly other cultural environments.
Non-economic push factors include persecution (religious and otherwise), frequent abuse, bullying, oppression, ethnic cleansing and even genocide, and risks to civilians during war. Political motives traditionally motivate refugee flows - to escape dictatorship for instance.
Some migration is for personal reasons, based on a relationship (e.g. to be with family or a loved one). In a few cases, an individual may wish to emigrate to a new country, in a form of transferred patriotism. Evasion of criminal justice (e.g. avoiding arrest) is a (mostly negative) personal motivation.
Emigration and immigration are sometimes implicit in a contract of employment: employees of multinational corporations, international non-governmental organisations and the diplomatic service can expect to work 'overseas'. They are often referred to as 'expatriates', and their conditions of employment are typically equal to or better than those applying in the host country (for similar work).
For some migrants, education is the primary pull factor (note that students on limited visas are often not defined as immigrants). Retirement migration from rich countries to lower-cost countries with better climate, is a new type of international migration. An example is immigration of retired British citizens to Spain. Some immigrants justify their drive to be in a different country for cultural or health related reasons, while young people from developed countries choose to migrate as a form of self expression towards the establishment or to satisfy their need to perceive directly other cultural environments.
Non-economic push factors include persecution (religious and otherwise), frequent abuse, bullying, oppression, ethnic cleansing and even genocide, and risks to civilians during war. Political motives traditionally motivate refugee flows - to escape dictatorship for instance.
Some migration is for personal reasons, based on a relationship (e.g. to be with family or a loved one). In a few cases, an individual may wish to emigrate to a new country, in a form of transferred patriotism. Evasion of criminal justice (e.g. avoiding arrest) is a (mostly negative) personal motivation.
barwoni - 08 Oct 2006 10:38 - 1122 of 1327
Saturday, October 07, 2006
US - Muslim calls for renouncing Islamic teachings
Nice to hear it.
The guy seems to know what he's talking about.
Dr. Tawfik Hamid, an Egyptian physician, Islamic scholar and former extremist, is the author of The Roots of Jihad (www.rootsofjihad.org).
Speakout: Muslims must both denounce, renounce their violent hadiths
STORY TOOLS
Email this story | Print By Dr. Tawfik Hamid
October 6, 2006
Ayman al-Zawahri, al-Qaida's No. 2 man, leader, last month announced that Americans must choose: Convert to Islam or continue to receive acts of terror.
Al-Zawahri was reiterating a fundamental concept of Salafi Islamic teaching, the fountainhead of extremist thinking. Yet the authors of the American government's recent intelligence report on terrorism's spread seem not to have been listening.
Zawahri's threat is based on a saying of the Prophet Muhammad as written in Sahih Al-Buchary, a central book of Salafi Islamic teaching. This hadith, or fundamental concept, states: "I have been ordered by Allah to fight and kill all mankind until they say, 'No God except Allah and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah' (Hadith Sahih)."
Based on this hadith, early Muslims used the sword to spread Islam throughout the world. The same hadith inspires contemporary Islamic terror including this summer's thwarted London airplane explosions. Other rationales that terrorists use to justify terrorism - the Arab-Israeli conflict, America's involvement in Iraq - are simply useful propaganda cover stories, not the actual causes or goals of terrorists' actions.
Americans must be wary of political leaders who accept the propaganda explanations. To win the war on terror, America's leaders must recognize the powerful role of the Islamic religious principle of jihad, Islam's belief that it must conquer the world, which derives from the above hadith. Belief in jihad is what causes so many Muslims worldwide to cheer terrorist acts such as 9/11, European subway bombings, and Hezbollah and Hamas attacks against Israel.
Allowing jihadist teaching to continue is like allowing cancer cells to survive in a human body.
The human immune system demonstrates that nurturing normal cells and respecting their variance sustains life. A healthy body nourishes cell diversity. A healthy body politic, similarly, must value respect for different beliefs. At the same time, if an immune system shows any tolerance whatsoever for cancer cells, the latter will terminate that body's life. The immune system of a body politic must have a similar zero tolerance for beliefs that incite violence against its citizens.
Cancer can be overcome if an individual has a strong immune system that acts to triumph over the killer cells. Similarly, the cancerous teachings of Salafi Islam could become insignificant if the majority of Muslims were to vocally oppose them.
Unfortunately, however, the vast majority of Muslims, Islamic organizations and Islamic scholars have not publicly objected to these teachings. There have been no powerful Muslim demonstrations to denounce Osama bin Laden and not a single fatwa by top Islamic scholars or organizations to consider bin Laden an apostate - as was done to Salman Rushdie just for writing a novel.
Because the teachings continue, a significant proportion of the world's Muslims have become passive terrorists, peaceful citizens whose sympathy in their hearts and support with their purses enable terrorism's spread.
If Islamic scholars and organizations in America disapprove of jihadist teachings, they must speak out against them. Americans should consider Muslims to be moderates, and Islam a peaceful faith, only if, in English and in Arabic, Muslims clearly denounce their violent hadiths and strike them from the books that educate their next generation.
In addition to internal immune reactions, externally applied interventions also can destroy cancer cells. Like cancer-fighting chemotherapy, strongly applied military might can reduce large tumors. America eliminated al-Qaida training camps in Afghanistan, but the verdict is not yet in on whether Israel this past summer similarly decimated Hezbollah.
To conquer the metastases of extremist Islam, however, words may be the most potent weapons. Outspoken condemnation of the theological sources of terrorism by American intellectuals and politicians, reinforcing the self-examination of Muslims themselves, could make a vital difference.
Addressing the theological wellsprings of Islamic terrorist motivation is essential if America is to succeed in its war against terrorism. Pope Benedict XVI has begun leading the way. Neither political correctness nor Muslim outrage must be allowed to prevent further realistic talk about the religious underpinnings of Islamic violence. Otherwise Islamic teaching will continue to spread jihad's cancerous beliefs.
Dr. Tawfik Hamid, an Egyptian physician, Islamic scholar and former extremist, is the author of The Roots of Jihad (www.rootsofjihad.org). Hamid will be speaking in Denver at the University of Denver on Monday at 7:30 p.m. Tickets are $10 for adults and $5 for students.
US - Muslim calls for renouncing Islamic teachings
Nice to hear it.
The guy seems to know what he's talking about.
Dr. Tawfik Hamid, an Egyptian physician, Islamic scholar and former extremist, is the author of The Roots of Jihad (www.rootsofjihad.org).
Speakout: Muslims must both denounce, renounce their violent hadiths
STORY TOOLS
Email this story | Print By Dr. Tawfik Hamid
October 6, 2006
Ayman al-Zawahri, al-Qaida's No. 2 man, leader, last month announced that Americans must choose: Convert to Islam or continue to receive acts of terror.
Al-Zawahri was reiterating a fundamental concept of Salafi Islamic teaching, the fountainhead of extremist thinking. Yet the authors of the American government's recent intelligence report on terrorism's spread seem not to have been listening.
Zawahri's threat is based on a saying of the Prophet Muhammad as written in Sahih Al-Buchary, a central book of Salafi Islamic teaching. This hadith, or fundamental concept, states: "I have been ordered by Allah to fight and kill all mankind until they say, 'No God except Allah and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah' (Hadith Sahih)."
Based on this hadith, early Muslims used the sword to spread Islam throughout the world. The same hadith inspires contemporary Islamic terror including this summer's thwarted London airplane explosions. Other rationales that terrorists use to justify terrorism - the Arab-Israeli conflict, America's involvement in Iraq - are simply useful propaganda cover stories, not the actual causes or goals of terrorists' actions.
Americans must be wary of political leaders who accept the propaganda explanations. To win the war on terror, America's leaders must recognize the powerful role of the Islamic religious principle of jihad, Islam's belief that it must conquer the world, which derives from the above hadith. Belief in jihad is what causes so many Muslims worldwide to cheer terrorist acts such as 9/11, European subway bombings, and Hezbollah and Hamas attacks against Israel.
Allowing jihadist teaching to continue is like allowing cancer cells to survive in a human body.
The human immune system demonstrates that nurturing normal cells and respecting their variance sustains life. A healthy body nourishes cell diversity. A healthy body politic, similarly, must value respect for different beliefs. At the same time, if an immune system shows any tolerance whatsoever for cancer cells, the latter will terminate that body's life. The immune system of a body politic must have a similar zero tolerance for beliefs that incite violence against its citizens.
Cancer can be overcome if an individual has a strong immune system that acts to triumph over the killer cells. Similarly, the cancerous teachings of Salafi Islam could become insignificant if the majority of Muslims were to vocally oppose them.
Unfortunately, however, the vast majority of Muslims, Islamic organizations and Islamic scholars have not publicly objected to these teachings. There have been no powerful Muslim demonstrations to denounce Osama bin Laden and not a single fatwa by top Islamic scholars or organizations to consider bin Laden an apostate - as was done to Salman Rushdie just for writing a novel.
Because the teachings continue, a significant proportion of the world's Muslims have become passive terrorists, peaceful citizens whose sympathy in their hearts and support with their purses enable terrorism's spread.
If Islamic scholars and organizations in America disapprove of jihadist teachings, they must speak out against them. Americans should consider Muslims to be moderates, and Islam a peaceful faith, only if, in English and in Arabic, Muslims clearly denounce their violent hadiths and strike them from the books that educate their next generation.
In addition to internal immune reactions, externally applied interventions also can destroy cancer cells. Like cancer-fighting chemotherapy, strongly applied military might can reduce large tumors. America eliminated al-Qaida training camps in Afghanistan, but the verdict is not yet in on whether Israel this past summer similarly decimated Hezbollah.
To conquer the metastases of extremist Islam, however, words may be the most potent weapons. Outspoken condemnation of the theological sources of terrorism by American intellectuals and politicians, reinforcing the self-examination of Muslims themselves, could make a vital difference.
Addressing the theological wellsprings of Islamic terrorist motivation is essential if America is to succeed in its war against terrorism. Pope Benedict XVI has begun leading the way. Neither political correctness nor Muslim outrage must be allowed to prevent further realistic talk about the religious underpinnings of Islamic violence. Otherwise Islamic teaching will continue to spread jihad's cancerous beliefs.
Dr. Tawfik Hamid, an Egyptian physician, Islamic scholar and former extremist, is the author of The Roots of Jihad (www.rootsofjihad.org). Hamid will be speaking in Denver at the University of Denver on Monday at 7:30 p.m. Tickets are $10 for adults and $5 for students.
barwoni - 08 Oct 2006 10:46 - 1123 of 1327
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006460631,00.html
http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2006/10/04/stand-against-women-stoned-to-death-you-apathetic-monsters/
http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2006/10/04/stand-against-women-stoned-to-death-you-apathetic-monsters/
tweenie - 09 Oct 2006 18:06 - 1124 of 1327
~with N korea setting detonating a nuclear weapon...
why ain'nt this 'axis of evil' country being invaded?
Oh yeh the answers in the question.
Gotta love those politicians.
why ain'nt this 'axis of evil' country being invaded?
Oh yeh the answers in the question.
Gotta love those politicians.
zscrooge
- 13 Oct 2006 08:13
- 1125 of 1327
Niice one Sir Richard. War in Iraq exarcerbating our problems around the world, planning after the war was poor based on optimism, we should get out soon.
barwoni - 13 Oct 2006 13:26 - 1126 of 1327
Teacher Suspended For Wearing Veil Friday October 13, 11:54 AM
A Muslim teaching assistant has been suspended for refusing to remove her veil in the classroom. Aishah Azmi was given permission to wear the item in corridors and the school staff room but told to take it off when in class.
Education officials say pupils - many of whom speak English as a second language - struggled to understand the 24-year-old.
It did not help that they could not see her mouth move.
But Miss Azmi insisted on keeping the veil down and is now taking her employers
to an industrial tribunal.
A spokesman for Kirklees Council said: "I can confirm she has been suspended.
"The matter has gone before an employment tribunal and we are waiting for the result. It would be inappropriate to comment further."
It is understood Miss Azmi worked as a bilingual support worker at Headfield Church of England junior school in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.
The school has 529 pupils and face-to-face contact is considered essential.
A council source told the Daily Mirror that children had complained about the veil.
Muslim leaders said Miss Azmi did not have to wear a veil in the presence of young children, or even a headscarf.
A Muslim teaching assistant has been suspended for refusing to remove her veil in the classroom. Aishah Azmi was given permission to wear the item in corridors and the school staff room but told to take it off when in class.
Education officials say pupils - many of whom speak English as a second language - struggled to understand the 24-year-old.
It did not help that they could not see her mouth move.
But Miss Azmi insisted on keeping the veil down and is now taking her employers
to an industrial tribunal.
A spokesman for Kirklees Council said: "I can confirm she has been suspended.
"The matter has gone before an employment tribunal and we are waiting for the result. It would be inappropriate to comment further."
It is understood Miss Azmi worked as a bilingual support worker at Headfield Church of England junior school in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.
The school has 529 pupils and face-to-face contact is considered essential.
A council source told the Daily Mirror that children had complained about the veil.
Muslim leaders said Miss Azmi did not have to wear a veil in the presence of young children, or even a headscarf.
barwoni - 13 Oct 2006 13:29 - 1127 of 1327
Yes scrooge job done in Iraq, maybe Iran next, divide and conquer seems to be working in Iraq..........
barwoni - 13 Oct 2006 13:35 - 1128 of 1327
Life is change. The number 13, and this day Friday the 13th reminds us of this fact.
Good old boys those masons!
However, few people realize that this day is considered an ill omen because of currencies and economics. Friday the 13th became famous for bad luck because of the Knights Templar.
An article in the Scotsman entitled “Knights Templar” by Diane Maclean explains this when it says:
The Knights Templar were a monastic military order formed during the 12th century European crusades to the Holy Land .
They were gifted land by pious aristocrats to finance their rapidly growing order. Their wealth grew as they developed commercial interests in mines, quarries and vineyards. They had a fleet that outshone the largest state. But what the Knights Templar did most was build. The classic round Templar church, founded on octagonal geometry, is still regarded as the most obvious example of their building, but many observers see Templar influence in the vast gothic outpouring that occurred throughout the next hundred years.
They set the gold and silver standard for coin weight, and introduced the "note of hand" – a kind of 12th century credit card. Christians at the time were not allowed to charge interest on money, but the Templars got round this by charging "rent". The order quickly became the richest bankers in Europe, lending to kings, princes and influential people across Europe .
King Philip IV of France (1268-1314) was one monarch among many who was heavily in debt to the Knights Templar. The death of the Pope gave the King an opportunity to bribe the incoming Catholic leader and initiate enquiries against the order. They were charged with heresy and on a Friday the 13th, in October 1307, Jacques de Molay, the Grand Master of the Knights Templar, and 60 of his senior knights were arrested in Paris . Across Europe thousands of Knights Templar were taken into custody. But when King Philip raided the Templar treasure house he found it empty and the fleet gone from Larochelle. You can read this article at http://heritage.scotsman.com/timelines.cfm?cid=1&id=41752005
Good old boys those masons!
However, few people realize that this day is considered an ill omen because of currencies and economics. Friday the 13th became famous for bad luck because of the Knights Templar.
An article in the Scotsman entitled “Knights Templar” by Diane Maclean explains this when it says:
The Knights Templar were a monastic military order formed during the 12th century European crusades to the Holy Land .
They were gifted land by pious aristocrats to finance their rapidly growing order. Their wealth grew as they developed commercial interests in mines, quarries and vineyards. They had a fleet that outshone the largest state. But what the Knights Templar did most was build. The classic round Templar church, founded on octagonal geometry, is still regarded as the most obvious example of their building, but many observers see Templar influence in the vast gothic outpouring that occurred throughout the next hundred years.
They set the gold and silver standard for coin weight, and introduced the "note of hand" – a kind of 12th century credit card. Christians at the time were not allowed to charge interest on money, but the Templars got round this by charging "rent". The order quickly became the richest bankers in Europe, lending to kings, princes and influential people across Europe .
King Philip IV of France (1268-1314) was one monarch among many who was heavily in debt to the Knights Templar. The death of the Pope gave the King an opportunity to bribe the incoming Catholic leader and initiate enquiries against the order. They were charged with heresy and on a Friday the 13th, in October 1307, Jacques de Molay, the Grand Master of the Knights Templar, and 60 of his senior knights were arrested in Paris . Across Europe thousands of Knights Templar were taken into custody. But when King Philip raided the Templar treasure house he found it empty and the fleet gone from Larochelle. You can read this article at http://heritage.scotsman.com/timelines.cfm?cid=1&id=41752005
barwoni - 13 Oct 2006 13:47 - 1129 of 1327
Tweetiebird brain, read and learn!
The underground nuclear explosion North Korea carried out early Monday, Oct. 9, confronts US president George W. Bush with one problem that has run out of control and another, Irans nuclear program, which soon will.
The European-Russian-Chinese insistence on diplomacy with Iran no sanctions, no military action is close to reaching the same dead end as did the talks with North Korea conducted by the US, Japan, China, Russia and South Korea. The negotiators who condemn North Korea today were deaf to Kim Jong Ils assertions of intent. He used the time fruitfully to drive forward to target. Iran is not there yet - but Tehran is using the current climate of international passivity to race ahead to the point of no return.
As recently as late July, when North Korea tested its nuclear-capable Taepodong ballistic missiles which can reach Alaska, the Bush administration warned Pyongyang not to fire any more, else the American navy would be ordered to intercept them.
Washingtons response went no further than words.
China and Russia did their utmost to hold the United States back from a strong reaction including a military option to the Korean nuclear program, exactly as they are doing in Irans case. They have been successful. To further anesthetize Western concerns, intelligence sources in Moscow leaked word to the Western media Sunday, one day before the actual test, that Pyongyangs nuclear test was three months away and its announcement could be dismissed as a mere device to buy time.
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1218
The underground nuclear explosion North Korea carried out early Monday, Oct. 9, confronts US president George W. Bush with one problem that has run out of control and another, Irans nuclear program, which soon will.
The European-Russian-Chinese insistence on diplomacy with Iran no sanctions, no military action is close to reaching the same dead end as did the talks with North Korea conducted by the US, Japan, China, Russia and South Korea. The negotiators who condemn North Korea today were deaf to Kim Jong Ils assertions of intent. He used the time fruitfully to drive forward to target. Iran is not there yet - but Tehran is using the current climate of international passivity to race ahead to the point of no return.
As recently as late July, when North Korea tested its nuclear-capable Taepodong ballistic missiles which can reach Alaska, the Bush administration warned Pyongyang not to fire any more, else the American navy would be ordered to intercept them.
Washingtons response went no further than words.
China and Russia did their utmost to hold the United States back from a strong reaction including a military option to the Korean nuclear program, exactly as they are doing in Irans case. They have been successful. To further anesthetize Western concerns, intelligence sources in Moscow leaked word to the Western media Sunday, one day before the actual test, that Pyongyangs nuclear test was three months away and its announcement could be dismissed as a mere device to buy time.
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1218
tipton11
- 13 Oct 2006 15:13
- 1130 of 1327
The new head of our army has it right surely ... our armed forces have been given too much to do and also treated disgracefully .... Blair is so stupid that he can't see the world leaders are only interested in their OWN countries, the size of the armies of possible opponents, and are very happy to let him strutt harmlessly around.
Has anyone in our govt considered the size of the garrison actually in the UK at any given time and the fact that there are 2 million apparently hostile muslims in situ ..
.. Someone please tell me I'm off my rocker. Tipton
Has anyone in our govt considered the size of the garrison actually in the UK at any given time and the fact that there are 2 million apparently hostile muslims in situ ..
.. Someone please tell me I'm off my rocker. Tipton
Fred1new
- 13 Oct 2006 16:20
- 1131 of 1327
"Blair is so stupid that he can't see the world leaders are only interested in their OWN countries".
Wrong. I think Blair is so vain that he is only interested in himself and his own legacy.
Way back there was discourse about suicide bombers and it started me "thinking".
Are those who send the bombers on their "missions" any more despicable than the those who lie their way into wars and then send the sons of daughters of others into wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without exposing themselves or families to similar dangers?
And even then not having the decency to admit they lied and are incompetent and resign.
Wrong. I think Blair is so vain that he is only interested in himself and his own legacy.
Way back there was discourse about suicide bombers and it started me "thinking".
Are those who send the bombers on their "missions" any more despicable than the those who lie their way into wars and then send the sons of daughters of others into wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without exposing themselves or families to similar dangers?
And even then not having the decency to admit they lied and are incompetent and resign.
barwoni - 13 Oct 2006 16:57 - 1132 of 1327
Queens shilling my son, when you take that you send yourself! Big plan is working keeping those islamic ragheads busy fighting amongst themselves........
The Real 2006
'Iraq Body Count'
Iraqi civilians killed this year by ISLAMIC Terrorists
10,349
Iraqi civilians killed collaterally by Americans
71*
Current: Muslim extremists in Iraq kidnapped a Christian priest and cut off his head on Wednesday. The Religion of Peace also crucified a 14-year-old boy. Meanwhile, CAIR's top concern is that a Florida preacher has called Islam a "dangerous religion."
Current: The Salem witch trials have been brought up to us twice this week by those attempting to reduce other religions to Islam (in this case, Christianity). In our opinion, the mere fact that one has to reach back over 300 years to find an event in which less than twenty innocents lost their lives to Christian fanaticism would appear to mitigate the point.
Islamic terrorists killed twice as many people each day for the last three months on average than were murdered at Salem in 1692. We aren't aware of any Biblical mandate to kill witches, although there are plenty of Qur'anic exhortations to kill unbelievers... and, unfortunately, plenty of people who take them literally.
The Real 2006
'Iraq Body Count'
Iraqi civilians killed this year by ISLAMIC Terrorists
10,349
Iraqi civilians killed collaterally by Americans
71*
Current: Muslim extremists in Iraq kidnapped a Christian priest and cut off his head on Wednesday. The Religion of Peace also crucified a 14-year-old boy. Meanwhile, CAIR's top concern is that a Florida preacher has called Islam a "dangerous religion."
Current: The Salem witch trials have been brought up to us twice this week by those attempting to reduce other religions to Islam (in this case, Christianity). In our opinion, the mere fact that one has to reach back over 300 years to find an event in which less than twenty innocents lost their lives to Christian fanaticism would appear to mitigate the point.
Islamic terrorists killed twice as many people each day for the last three months on average than were murdered at Salem in 1692. We aren't aware of any Biblical mandate to kill witches, although there are plenty of Qur'anic exhortations to kill unbelievers... and, unfortunately, plenty of people who take them literally.
tipton11
- 13 Oct 2006 17:28
- 1133 of 1327
Fred....... I stand corrected you are absolutely right Blair is only interested in himself, he actually seems to think he will be remembered as a great statesman!
tweenie - 13 Oct 2006 17:57 - 1134 of 1327
I feel sorry for BLAIR.
I think He honestly believed he was acting in best interests of Iraqi people.
Unfortunately we went to war on a myth (WMD's) - that did'nt exist.
We had no exit stratergy and we were partnered with the USA, who historically have a habit of jumping in wityh their eyes shut , guns abazings and gobs in overdrive.
Mr Bush has tried ineptly to link Al-qaeda to IRAQ in almost every speech he has done and has tried his best to convince the american people that the SADDAM regime was somehow linked to 9-11. Unfortunately he's come unstuck and we are now paying a very heavy price for his administrations incompetance.
We should have gone into AFGANISTAN with more resources and kicked shit/reformed country completely before moving on , not tried a half arsed attempt at boosting his koudos back home by finishing work started by his daddy.
Now what do we do?
What about N KOREA?
What about IRAN?
We are/have been F@@KED.
Guess the advice he got from GOD was flawed.
I think He honestly believed he was acting in best interests of Iraqi people.
Unfortunately we went to war on a myth (WMD's) - that did'nt exist.
We had no exit stratergy and we were partnered with the USA, who historically have a habit of jumping in wityh their eyes shut , guns abazings and gobs in overdrive.
Mr Bush has tried ineptly to link Al-qaeda to IRAQ in almost every speech he has done and has tried his best to convince the american people that the SADDAM regime was somehow linked to 9-11. Unfortunately he's come unstuck and we are now paying a very heavy price for his administrations incompetance.
We should have gone into AFGANISTAN with more resources and kicked shit/reformed country completely before moving on , not tried a half arsed attempt at boosting his koudos back home by finishing work started by his daddy.
Now what do we do?
What about N KOREA?
What about IRAN?
We are/have been F@@KED.
Guess the advice he got from GOD was flawed.
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