Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

The Commons isn't sitting, so it's clearly a day for talking heads.

Aside from the muppet with the mop head launching his leadership campaign, we've had Nige saying that he'll stand again as an MEP in May (clearly he believes Brexit won't happen!), and Moggy, the right honourable member for the 18th century, has been given his own radio show.

Oh, and some dozy moo on Sky News thinks that Philips moving a factory to the Netherlands with the loss of 450 East Anglian jobs is good news for Brexit!

no fred; i think many did hold BJ in quite high regard, but i doubt that is now the case

In 2016, Boris Johnson said that he would "lie in front of a bulldozer". He got the opportunity earlier today, and he took it for a full 40 minutes...

"did so" surely :-)

CNG - not knowing the area but maybe the Philips site can be redeveloped for housing, which if you were waiting for a home would be a Bexit bonus and good news for the person you describe as a dozy moo - a least not such a daft moo. :-)

8-)

He is being loyal to his own cause.

Yeah very funny Hils and the answer is neither , toilet roll :)

Yellow pages ends hard copy as a direct result of no deal.

For those who haven't seen this program, the first 15mins is an interesting summary of so-called "brexit".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0c0gz3w

Dear Mrs May and any friends.

Diane Abbott crying about the way she was treated on Question Time in today's Independent apparently.

For anyone who saw it , she got what she and her leaders policies deserved but her complaint about Fiona Btuce interrupting is valid to a certain extent but she wasn't the only one who suffered from this.

Bit of luck she won't appear on it anymore , waste of a seat anyway.

As I said Friday , she got the biggest kicking from an audience I've ever seen on that program for trying to defend Corby and his policies.

Happy days.

Her fellow panelists behaved like football hooligans, ie. without manners.

But perhaps that is enjoyable for you.

Perhaps I could label you F. Hooligan1.

I don't know what program you were watching Fred but it certainly wasn't QT. The audience gave her a much harder time than the panellists and she thoroughly deserved everything she got.

Monday morning end of the world story, balanced as only a lefty newspaper can be.



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/21/england-rebel-spirit-no-deal-brexit

Cerise Noire Girl - 16 Jan 2019 09:44 - 11576 of 11725
There isn't mass discontent within Europe - certainly not discontent with the EU, and the EU is going from strength to strength.


Good to see Europe going from strength to strength


In places like Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal… an anti-Euro backlash has begun.

People are angry.

These places have witnessed decades of low growth…

The only thing that seems to grow is debt…

What they desperately need is a weaker currency – but they’re being crucified by a Euro that is far too strong for their broken economies.

Europe has seen the lowest economic growth of any continent since the introduction of the Euro, and the consequences are visible everywhere.

George you really need to get out of Cornwall a bit, when was the last time you left it and bothered to talk to anyone?

An anti-euro backlash? Really???

In Italy, after taking an age to form a government, the public are now firmly behind their government. In Greece, populist protests against austerity ended in 2015. In Spain, protests are directed against the government, but not the EU. And in Portugal, the populist movement hasn't even gained much support. Even in France, the gilets jaunes protests were against government fuel price hikes after years of being told by successive administrations to buy diesel cars. Those protests have now been hijacked by anarchists whose raison d'être is to cause trouble.

The point is that the people of Europe are happy with the EU as a whole. Why wouldn't they be? There's even a piece in today's FT about Eurozone household debt being at its lowest level since 2006.

Seriously, the EU isn't about to implode, and it's only the Brits who like to blame their malaise on the EU instead of addressing the underlying issues.

The debt held by eurozone households fell in the third quarter of 2018 to 57.6 per cent, the lowest level since 2006, according to a global debt monitor database produced by the Institute of International Finance.

The figure for the eurozone is lower than for the US, where household debt is 75 per cent of GDP, and significantly below the 86 per cent in the UK.