Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Dear Mrs May and any friends.

Diane Abbott crying about the way she was treated on Question Time in today's Independent apparently.

For anyone who saw it , she got what she and her leaders policies deserved but her complaint about Fiona Btuce interrupting is valid to a certain extent but she wasn't the only one who suffered from this.

Bit of luck she won't appear on it anymore , waste of a seat anyway.

As I said Friday , she got the biggest kicking from an audience I've ever seen on that program for trying to defend Corby and his policies.

Happy days.

Her fellow panelists behaved like football hooligans, ie. without manners.

But perhaps that is enjoyable for you.

Perhaps I could label you F. Hooligan1.

I don't know what program you were watching Fred but it certainly wasn't QT. The audience gave her a much harder time than the panellists and she thoroughly deserved everything she got.

Monday morning end of the world story, balanced as only a lefty newspaper can be.



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/21/england-rebel-spirit-no-deal-brexit

Cerise Noire Girl - 16 Jan 2019 09:44 - 11576 of 11725
There isn't mass discontent within Europe - certainly not discontent with the EU, and the EU is going from strength to strength.


Good to see Europe going from strength to strength


In places like Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal… an anti-Euro backlash has begun.

People are angry.

These places have witnessed decades of low growth…

The only thing that seems to grow is debt…

What they desperately need is a weaker currency – but they’re being crucified by a Euro that is far too strong for their broken economies.

Europe has seen the lowest economic growth of any continent since the introduction of the Euro, and the consequences are visible everywhere.

George you really need to get out of Cornwall a bit, when was the last time you left it and bothered to talk to anyone?

An anti-euro backlash? Really???

In Italy, after taking an age to form a government, the public are now firmly behind their government. In Greece, populist protests against austerity ended in 2015. In Spain, protests are directed against the government, but not the EU. And in Portugal, the populist movement hasn't even gained much support. Even in France, the gilets jaunes protests were against government fuel price hikes after years of being told by successive administrations to buy diesel cars. Those protests have now been hijacked by anarchists whose raison d'être is to cause trouble.

The point is that the people of Europe are happy with the EU as a whole. Why wouldn't they be? There's even a piece in today's FT about Eurozone household debt being at its lowest level since 2006.

Seriously, the EU isn't about to implode, and it's only the Brits who like to blame their malaise on the EU instead of addressing the underlying issues.

The debt held by eurozone households fell in the third quarter of 2018 to 57.6 per cent, the lowest level since 2006, according to a global debt monitor database produced by the Institute of International Finance.

The figure for the eurozone is lower than for the US, where household debt is 75 per cent of GDP, and significantly below the 86 per cent in the UK.

Oh, and here's another snippet...

The eurozone unemployment rate dropped to 7.9 per cent in November 2018, the lowest rate since 2008. Job vacancy rates are at their highest since 2009 and eurozone households have been able to save more of their income.

The European Commission has admitted that the Euro is ‘increasing unemployment and social hardship’.

According to figures from Europa.EU, in 2016, 118.0 million people in the EU lived in households at risk of poverty or social exclusion; 23.5 % of the population.

According to a study by the German Bertelsmann Foundation, about 26 million children and young people in the EU are at risk of poverty.


I don't disagree that the Italian public is firmly behind it's government, but that government is Eurosceptic.

What use are figures from 2016? It's 2019 now.

Yes of course they are a bit adrift and no doubt the millions of immigrants since will have improved their position immensely, NOT.

You mean the immigrants that are all headed to Britain?

Unlike many I am happy to accept there will be continued immigration, the problem arises when the UK is flooded (as per Blair gov) without sufficient improvements in services and employment to cope with a mass influx.

Well you need to be taking things like infrastructure investment up with your own government then. It's hardly the EU's fault, is it?

Why don't you suggest they build a detention centre for illegals in some bleak, depressing place like Cornwall, and stop giving out free houses and cash to anyone that lands on your shores and asks for it? Take away the reasons for them wanting to come, and they'll stop coming.

The funny thing is, I thought the Home Secretary of Cameron's government was going to tackle those issues back in 2010. I can't think of her name now....

Cornwall depressing ha! ha! that's funny.

Sorry, typo. I meant Wales.

:o)

George you really need to get out of Cornwall a bit, when was the last time you left it and bothered to talk to anyone?