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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Fred1new - 23 Jan 2019 09:49 - 11796 of 12628

Haystack - 23 Jan 2019 09:59 - 11797 of 12628

The EU is not reformable. It is a doomed project.

cynic - 23 Jan 2019 10:01 - 11798 of 12628

the russians would like to think so, but in practice, reform is likely to come about when threats to leave by other members start to crystalise

eu will of course be badly hit by the withdrawal of uk contributions

Stan - 23 Jan 2019 10:02 - 11799 of 12628

Not true, no institutional is beyond being reformed.

Stan - 23 Jan 2019 10:02 - 11800 of 12628

Stop scaremongering Alf.

cynic - 23 Jan 2019 10:04 - 11801 of 12628

not scaremongering at all; more like pointing out the fairly obvious

Stan - 23 Jan 2019 10:09 - 11802 of 12628

Stop arguing Alf.

Haystack - 23 Jan 2019 10:22 - 11803 of 12628

https://order-order.com/2019/01/23/irish-pm-privately-telling-opposition-leaders-hard-border-will-calais/

Haystack - 23 Jan 2019 11:11 - 11804 of 12628

The People’s Vote campaign have been getting an absolute kicking overnight on the back of Alex Wickham’s big expose, following Guido’s report on the campaign infighting last month. Surprisingly, much of it is coming from the left, with Owen Jones leading the charge against it:

https://order-order.com/2019/01/23/owen-jones-turns-absolute-disaster-peoples-vote-campaign/

Stan - 23 Jan 2019 11:16 - 11805 of 12628

No body cares in the real world H/S about what is said or not as brexit is just not going to happen.

Haystack - 23 Jan 2019 11:21 - 11806 of 12628

Hopefully it will. It's looking more likely over the last few days.

2517GEORGE - 23 Jan 2019 11:31 - 11807 of 12628

More bad news for we Leavers:-

Highest number in employment since records began in 1971 ; Unemployment rate falls to lowest level in 44 years.

It gets worse :-

Earnings rose 3.4%, real pay growth up ;

Government borrowing so far this year the lowest for 16 years.





Stan - 23 Jan 2019 11:31 - 11808 of 12628

The County has more to gain by staying in than leaving and that's what more and more people are now realising thankfully.

Haystack - 23 Jan 2019 11:42 - 11809 of 12628

No majority for remaining or a second referendum. The remainers are deluded.

2517GEORGE - 23 Jan 2019 11:55 - 11810 of 12628

Stan, more and more people, especially ordinary people who voted Remain are turning towards Leave because of the Remainers constant threats, and outrageous claims of doom which have over the past 2 years been seen to be false.

Haystack - 23 Jan 2019 12:00 - 11811 of 12628

OECD chief Jose Angel Gurría is so chillaxed about a no-deal Brexit. Telling Sky’s Ed Conway in Davos, “What’s the worst scenario? A no deal, WTO rules…the whole world is running by WTO rules these days!”

https://order-order.com/2019/01/22/oecd-chief-says-wto-brexit-will-seamless-low-cost/

Stan - 23 Jan 2019 12:18 - 11812 of 12628

Oh dear George and H/S in their usual deluded mood making false claims tut tut now.

hilary - 23 Jan 2019 12:22 - 11813 of 12628

Those employment figures simply show that the UK is thriving within the EU. Given that Brexit is likely to hit GDP by 9%, the employment figures for Q4 2021 will be the important ones - assuming Brexit ever happens, that is.

hilary - 23 Jan 2019 12:26 - 11814 of 12628

Haystack,

There's probably a majority in Parliament for ruling out a no deal. An Article 50 extension or revocation is the mechanism for that to happen.

There's possibly also a parliamentary majority for a customs union, or a Norway + style Brexit.

2517GEORGE - 23 Jan 2019 12:30 - 11815 of 12628

What false claims have I made in my post Stan?
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