bosley
- 20 Feb 2004 09:34
Mad Pad
- 01 Mar 2008 13:09
- 25759 of 27111
"Ban on plastic bags",shouldn't that read ban on "petroplastic" bags to differentiate from "bioplastic" bags.Just been to the farmers market here in Cork and got me vedge in a degradable plastic bags.Arn't they the ones that just break up into small pieces that then last forever?They can also be recycled{petroplastics} so I cant really see the point.Another huge issue here is that allthough plastic bag usage has dropped 90%since the introduction of the bag tax,the local authorities now charge by weight for domestic refuse collection so many people prefer to chuck their rubbish by the roadside so the litter problem is on the increase..so back to the drawing board.
Tonyrelaxes
- 01 Mar 2008 14:03
- 25760 of 27111
Its the old story Pad, you cant squeeze jelly to contain it.
Degradable = breaks down into lots of little bits of original material.
Bio-degradable = breaks down into earth/soil componants.
(I think)
Mad Pad
- 01 Mar 2008 15:14
- 25761 of 27111
Just been into the garden to dig up a"mater bi"bag I buried about 18 months ago and it has tatally vanished.These were the ones Sainsburys were selling organic apples in ,the bags being made by Novamont if my memory is right so yes Tony you are right.My other half thinks I've lost it totally when I tried to explain what I was doing looking for a buried plastic bag.And yes I do have a life!!!!
BAYLIS
- 01 Mar 2008 18:35
- 25762 of 27111
Packaging Environmental Ltd provides UK businesses and organisations with a wide range of biodegradable and compostable products such as cups, cutlery, containers and other disposable tableware.
We supply a range of bioplastic and sugarcane based products that are set to overtake and replace traditional oil-based plastic and polystyrene.
Our products are similar in quality and competitive in price, but more importantly
Have a lower carbon footprint
Are 100% sustainable
Are 100% biodegradable and compostable
We are committed to work with organisations to help them reduce their carbon footprint and enable them to become more environmentally sustainable.
BETTER THAN STANELCO
BAYLIS
- 01 Mar 2008 18:43
- 25763 of 27111
Biodegradable Bag Company Ltd.
We believe that we can all make a small change to protect our planet when we use degradable packaging.We all know by now, that polythene bags can take hundreds of years to degrade, that our landfill sites are overflowing and that our environment needs our help.
Here, at the Biodegradable Bag Company, we have faith that by working with our customers we can try and address these concerns. We manufacture and supply all types of packaging in biodegradable, compostable material. Our biodegradable bags are of beautiful quality, strong yet degradable, the perfect polythene bag.
Mad Pad
- 01 Mar 2008 19:53
- 25764 of 27111
Bayliss who supplies these companies with the raw material to produce these products,I don't think they manafacture bioplastic?
BAYLIS
- 01 Mar 2008 20:04
- 25765 of 27111
I DO NO YET.
BAYLIS
- 01 Mar 2008 20:28
- 25766 of 27111
Febrero 18, 2008
Emulando las prticas de otras cadenas internacionales de supermercados, Supermaxi y Megamaxi usar desde este a fundas plticas biodegradables para el empaque de las compras de sus clientes.
Con cerca de 200 mil visitas diarias en sus establecimientos, Supermercados La Favorita optpor esta alternativa con el objetivo de reducir la contaminaci del ambiente.
A diferencia de las fundas plticas comunes, las bolsas ecolicas sufren una total biodegradaci al exponerse a los rayos ultravioletas, el calor y la fricci. El residuo se reintegra, seg la compaa, a la tierra sin dejar ticos.
Usadas por cadenas como Wallmart de Argentina, ito de Colombia, Tesco de Inglaterra, las biodegradables est en capacidad de trasladar el mismo peso que una funda com y no alteran los alimentos.
Mad Pad
- 01 Mar 2008 20:52
- 25767 of 27111
Tonyrelaxes see Baylis's post above 25766,remember "our meet" and the interest in my business in Argentina,am I dreaming or could there be a connection with wallmart there?
Tonyrelaxes
- 01 Mar 2008 21:26
- 25768 of 27111
Pad
Babelfish translation -
Emulating the practices of other international chains of supermarkets, Supermaxi and Megamaxi they will use from this year biodegradable plastic covers for the packing of the purchases of its clients. With near 200 thousand daily visits in its establishments, Supermarkets the Favorite decided on this alternative with the objective to reduce the contamination of the atmosphere. Unlike the common plastic covers, the bags ` ecolicas' undergo a total biodegradaci when exposing itself to ultra-violet rayses, the heat and the friction. The remainder returns, according to the company, to the Earth without leaving toxics. Used by chains like Wallmart of Argentina, Success of Colombia, Tesco of England, the biodegradable ones are in capacity to transfer the same weight that a common cover and the foods do not alter.
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But it does not look like Baylis's bags are made from starch as this would have been a great 'green' point. So presumably they are petro plastics as they do not bio-degrade in the accepted sence - they need sun light, not earth borne microbes. It "returns to the Earth" - they don't say it becomes an active part of the earth again, so might effictively be landfill in little inert pieces!!
Mad Pad
- 02 Mar 2008 01:26
- 25769 of 27111
Tony sent it to Argentina for translation .If any of you want to see our operation down there the site is ..dimex.com.ar..sleep well.
Mad Pad
- 02 Mar 2008 09:54
- 25770 of 27111
Bayliss where did you find that article?Thanks
hewittalan6
- 02 Mar 2008 10:03
- 25771 of 27111
One thing is very clear.
Worldwide there is a push away from the plastic wrappings we are used to.
The question now becomes thus; Are SEO making any business from this?
Whether they manufacture or license manufacture of any of the replacement plastic articles is one point. The other is whether they have any business interests in the production of the raw materials needed.
I will not be able to make the AGM, but that is the point I would be seeking clarification on. After all, the push has just started and any company in now stands to make huge headway and growth as it rolls on.
The cynical part of me says SEO couldn't sell a prime steak to a starving man, but then I wonder what SPhere are up to. After all, they were mentioned in the RNS and they have upped capacity.
Interesting times again????
Tonyrelaxes
- 02 Mar 2008 11:22
- 25772 of 27111
Alan
"whether they have any business interests in the production of the raw materials needed"
You mean turning the staff car park into a potato patch, and issuing wellies?
boldtrader
- 02 Mar 2008 11:22
- 25773 of 27111
Mad Pad,checked out www.dimex.com.ar, are you into trucks? Sorry for ot.
XSTEFFX
- 02 Mar 2008 11:29
- 25774 of 27111
Degradable plastic which 'self destructs' after as little as six months in any environment - land or water - which also emits no methane, even when buried. Is it too good to be true?
Following recent comments about tackling the growing problems of plastic waste, Symphony Environmental wants to point out that there is already a form of plastic which could solve many of the problems people find so worrying.
It is called oxo-biodegradable (oxo-bio) plastic is the answer. It makes plastic bags degrade completely and to a pre-set timespan, from six months onwards.
It also emits no methane even when buried in a landfill. As oxo-bio bags 'self destruct' automatically at the end of their lifespan, they disappear altogether even if they are not collected, either on land or in water, leaving no harmful residues.
However, if collected, they can be recycled. They can also be incinerated for energy recovery. Oxo-bio plastic is not made from crops or potential food stuffs, like some of the biodegradable plastic alternatives, and thus is no threat to the world's food chain.
The technology used to make oxo-bio bags is still comparatively new and many people are not yet fully aware of its capabilities. All too often it is confused with the starch-based (hydro-bio) alternative, which does emit methane, cannot be recycled and cannot be programmed to destruct to a pre-set lifespan.
Symphony Environmental has developed an oxo-bio additive, which when added to most forms of plastic at the manufacturing stage, changes its behaviour and gives it ithe properties of oxo-bio plastic.
Organisations using it in at least one application include Tesco, the Co-op, Walmart, the Science Museum, the Natural History Museum, the World Wildlife Fund and the Soil Association.
The use of oxo-bio plastic bags could dramatically cut the amount of long-term plastic waste left lying around in the streets, or polluting the countryside, our rivers and the sea - perhaps even obviating the need for a ban on them, or for other restrictions.
Symphony Environmental
FOUND ON SYM POST. HOPE IT HELPS
XSTEFFX
- 02 Mar 2008 11:31
- 25775 of 27111
ITS BAYLIS AGAIN. ON SYM.
PATISEAR
- 02 Mar 2008 12:29
- 25776 of 27111
XSTEFFX
"Symphony Environmental has developed an oxo-bio additive, which when added to most forms of plastic at the manufacturing stage, changes its behaviour and gives it ithe properties of oxo-bio plastic."
Does this include 'petro based plastics'
Fred1new
- 02 Mar 2008 12:47
- 25777 of 27111
I left a chicken in a Biodegradable bag outside on the patio last week last week.
In the morning the chicken and the bag had disappeared!
Same happen with a biogradable bag of sweets when my grandchildren were here.
Must admit the bags seem to have improved!
Tonyrelaxes
- 02 Mar 2008 13:07
- 25778 of 27111
I think we are being thrown a bit of a red herring here. (Someone got a short on the go?)
The oxo-bio additive is added to 'normal' plastic bag ingredients.
Therefore still the bag is still made from petro plastics. Not too good for a green image.
They might well degrade into small crumbs or less, and quite quickly in the presence of the appropriate agent (sunlight, etc) but not bio-degrade into useful componants of the soil. Again, not too good for a green image.