Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

They tried all of that Fred (talking , reasoning , etc) ... it didn't work.

Haystack, Agree with much of your posting. But burglars carry guns and get their shots in first.
Not sure how many innocent knife carrying victims of knife crime there are in this country for the last two years.

Dil, If its not working, try something different.

Fred imagine instead of your grandson firing peas it is your neighbour firing his shotgun into your garden and almost hitting you and your grandson. You go around to "tell him that he might have hurt you and ask him if that is what he intended and if that is really what he wanted". He head butts you, tells you to f'ck off and says he will only stop shooting once you leave because he doesn't like living next you and wants your garden for himself. You go back home and after a while the shooting starts again except he is now having a go at your front driveway as well. You now can't go out without fear of getting shot and you dare not have your grandson around to play. How many times do you keep going back for that polite conversation before doing something a little more "proportionate"?

Isaacs, Tried what you suggested, doesn't look as good!

That's what they are doing Fred.

Dil,
Do you mean Murdering more than 300 children in GAZA. collapsing the infrastructure and turning their backs on the United Nations? Ignoring World opinion?

How long will they continue to do so and what future is Israel stoking up for itself?

Yeah Fred, right. If they hadn't gone in they'd have no trouble with Hamas ever again?

Turn it round Fred and ask the instigators of this conflict Hamas what they thought they were up to firing rockets on a civilian population and what they expected to get out of it ?

Dil,

"Turn it round Fred and ask the instigators of this conflict Hamas what they thought they were up to firing rockets on a civilian population and what they expected to get out of it ?"

What do the instigators of the conflict Israel, think they would get out of confiscating land and Murdering their children?

Shortened version!

Fred
One has to assume that your grandson is not an adult. If he is and he fires a pea-shooter at you then some attention from the medical authorities may be in order.

As he is a child then proportiionate response is called for. behaviour by adults do not always need proportiate response, expecally, as in the case of Hamas, they know the consequences. It can hardly be a surprise to Hamas that Israel have invaded Gaza. Hamas might be surprised at the level of response, but not by much. In fact my guess is that they got more or less the response they wanted. An indication of this is the continued firing of rockets. Israel have been lured into a political trap by Hamas.

Yeah , very funny Fred.

Fred
I have very little belief in the casualty figures given by the Gaza authorities. Certainly the adlt figures inclde large numbers of Hamas. There are good propaganda reasons to make the childrens' figures bigger.

Haystack. Disagree, my grandson is not a child when he assaults his sister or me! 8-)

However, I think the metaphor is apt, when you consider size of population and forces etc. It also applies to the mind set of the participants.


I agree with your last sentence. I thought it was an obvious trap. I hope that something useful will come out of it.

But the stupidity is obvious by the carnage which is left behind on both sides.

Haystack, Halve the numbers. Does that make it any better?

Much better for the ones that haven't died.

Fred1new : you need help.....!, all is not well.....nobody posts like this without being a bit on the nutty side......!.

Its more than help he needs, hes completely lost the plot,
god help those who have to actually live with him and his usual nonsense and double standards day in day out,

Fred.dont worry.you are being battered by a gang.I agree with most of you thoughts.or though maybe not all the comparisons?THE COUNTS view/opinionand knowledge so eloquently stated probably mirrored most neutrals handle on the situation.I do not think any further comment is needed.

That's a relief then