Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

5million foreigners granted citizenship in EU in six years



By Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor
13 June 2016 • 5:59pm




More than five million people have been granted citizenship in the EU over the past six years giving them the right to live and work in the UK, according to official figures.

Eurostat, the EU's official statistical agency, disclosed that the number of people given citizenship by EU nations has risen from 771,800 in 2009 to 889,100 in 2014.

One in five of those who has been granted citizenship in Europe over the past six years has been given a British passport, more than any other nation.




Nigel Farage claimed on ITV's referendum debate that EU passports are for sale 'to anybody' Credit: Press Association/Press Association


Vote Leave hailed the figures as evidence of "how little control we have over our borders" because EU citizens are free to come to the UK.

It said that the number of people who have been granted citizenship would be greater than the accession of Albania and Montenegro.

Matthew Elliott, chief executive of Vote Leave, said: "These figures show how little control we have over our borders while we stay in the EU.

"The number of people coming to the EU is increasing each year and it is becoming unsustainable.

"This level of migration puts a strain on our invaluable public services, as well as jobs and wages. The British people are absolutely right to be concerned."



More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/13/5million-foreigners-granted-citizenship-in-eu-in-six-years/

ICM online AND phone polls show six point LEAVE leave

Two weeks ago ICM produced an unexpected result – they did parallel phone and online polls for the Guardian, and found a five point lead for LEAVE in both online and by phone. A five point lead for leave in an online poll was slightly unusual, but not completely out of line with the then average position of neck-and-neck. The five point lead in the telephone poll was remarkable, given most other phone polls (a) were showing a consistently different pattern to online polls and (b) were showing a robust lead for REMAIN. The poll got a lot of attention, but we reserved judgement a little – it was only one poll, and it was conducted over a bank holiday weekend so perhaps the sample could have been affected.

Today ICM have repeated that experiment and confirmed their earlier findings – their online and telephone polls are painting the same picture, and both have LEAVE with a clear lead. Topline figures by telephone are REMAIN 45%(+3), LEAVE 50%(+5), Don’t know 5% – equating to a six point leave lead of LEAVE 53%, REMAIN 47%. Topline figures online are REMAIN 44%(nc), LEAVE 49%(+2), Don’t know 7%(-2) – also equating to a six point lead for leave.

Latest Betfair odds :

Leave 2.62
Remain 1.61

Bookies odds are starting to tumble , anyone know anything about charts ?

Where's that nice hairdresser with a red car when you need him , I'm sure he could help me interpret this Betfair odds chart (hi Limpy) :-)

Odds on leaving chart from Betfair

2.5 support goes then it's bye bye EU imo

And bloody good riddance Dil!

cynically one must question the accuracy of these latest polls
while the tide has certainly turned against "remain", are the latest poll results yet another scare tactic as has been practised incessantly by both sides

SUN SAYS We urge our readers to beLEAVE in Britain and vote to quit the EU on June 23


THIS is our last chance to remove ourselves from the undemocratic Brussels machine ... and it's time to take it



By The Sun

13th June 2016, 9:58 pm



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1277920/we-urge-our-readers-to-believe-in-britain-and-vote-to-leave-the-eu-in-referendum-on-june-23/

Do people actually read the Sun? I thought they looked at the pictures. June 24 - Independence Day. Mark it in your calendar.

That's a good line though . believe in Britain .

If I remember correctly Sun was supporting Cameron as well!!

I agree with the point it makes:-

We must set ourselves free from dictatorial Brussels. Throughout our 43-year membership of the European Union it has proved increasingly greedy, wasteful, bullying and breathtakingly incompetent in a crisis.

I have nothing against decent hard-working people seeking a better life for themselves. The operative words being decent hard-working. They will still be free to work here after independence. Just remove the criminals and vagabonds back to where they came from.

That was yesterday, before dave shot himself in the arse.

asian cafes complain can't get staff . well spend money training . = less cornfields
to be built on. leave BB

At Gordon Brown's 'save the remainer's' pro-eu press conference yesterday,
gordon brown was asked SEVERAL times by the press about immigration, and
he ignored the questions, but afterwards he said to some that "we have to
stay in the eu and help those countries that are struggling with unemployment".

Which gave the indication that 'immigration from the eu was the UK's duty to
help mitigate the unemployment in those countries that are struggling',
and if that means hundreds of thousands coming to this country, so be it...

Yes it's all about distributing the lesser ones around the EU , and one reason we have to get out as we will be hammered .

The SUN

be LEAVE in Britain and vote to quit the EU on June 23

WHAT ABOUT THAT FOR A SHOCK TO THE REMAIN

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1277920/we-urge-our-readers-to-believe-in-britain-and-vote-to-leave-the-eu-in-referendum-on-june-23/

and gosh, even a word of more than one syllable there
the average sun reader's iq must be rising

It's Gordon Munster - and he's got a bolt loose:

RICHARD LITTLEJOHN says it will take more than a procession of undead former PMs to persuade voters to stay

By Richard Littlejohn for the Daily Mail

Published: 02:00, 14 June 2016 | Updated: 07:51, 14 June 2016



The Remain campaign is beginning to resemble The Night Of The Living Dead, as the crypt doors creak open and another former Prime Minister is disinterred.

Last week, it was the turn of Tony Blair and John Major to emerge from beyond the grave to warn that the Irish Troubles will kick off again in earnest if we vote Leave.

Major has always had a ghostly pallor and these days Blair looks as if he’s been embalmed. Call Me Dave seems to be heading the same way, judging by his zombie-like appearance on The Andrew Marr Show at the weekend.



The Remain campaign is beginning to resemble The Night Of The Living Dead, as the crypt doors creak open and another former Prime Minister is disinterred



Boy George behaves like Igor, the crazed laboratory assistant, frantically twiddling dials and fiddling with his Bunsen burner in an increasingly desperate attempt to pump new life into the Remain monster.

Yesterday, Gordon Brown was given a Frankenstein-style jolt of electricity and let loose on an unsuspecting electorate. Unfortunately, mission control forgot to check the wiring and tighten the bolt in his neck before unlocking his cage.

Gordon lumbered into BBC Radio 4’s Today programme studio like Herman Munster, circuit board set to ‘transmit only’.


More: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3640064/It-s-Gordon-Munster-s-got-bolt-loose-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-says-procession-undead-former-PMs-persuade-voters-stay.html

The Sun must think we are going to leave. They have a strange policy in that they tend to support the side that they think will win. They did it in GEs over the years, supporting Blair and switching to Cameron.

One of Europe's highest courts has backed the UK in a case brought against it on welfare benefits for EU migrants.

In a judgement today, the European Court of Justice said the UK's "right to reside" test for certain family benefits was legitimate, after the European commission brought a case against it arguing that it discriminates against child migrants.

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how frightfully generous of the european courts!
no doubt the remainers will bring this forward as an example of how things can be changed or similar from inside the system