Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

McDonnell's a maybe man, when he got the job he was on QT, and all he did with every question that he was asked was to apologise for the past actions he'd taken or the statements he had made...

He's a complete limp wristed idiot, with powder puff idea's..

i shall be voting "out" but it won't make any difference

Don't be so pessimistic (ever the) cynic..LOL..

You are one of the many...In the last GE no one believed that UKIP would get nearly 4 million votes, they were called the silent kippers, because when they were asked who they were voting for the majority stayed silent, for fear of being accused racist.

The same could be happening again..

UKIP got the number of votes predicted and the number of seats. Their problem is that they are diluted across all constituencies. They have very little concentration apart from pockets of racists in Essex and Kent.

Bernard Connolly an Oxford educated economist speaking about the benefits of leaving the EU, especially for smaller, newer companies stated in Moneyweek mag that only 12% of our GDP is affected by the single market, and 88% of the economy that isn't. But 100% of the economy has to abide by EU regulations. So there would be a significant freeing of the major part of the economy.
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I wonder how the 9000 workers at the Sunderland Nissan plant will vote and the 27000 workers in the associated supply jobs?

that has little if any bearing on eu policies or anything else, though when it comes to voting, logic often flies out of the window

The point I was trying to make is that many UK workers in the larger companies who are entitled to vote are probably going to vote in a way that ensures their continued employment, (i.e the way the company wishes them to vote) regardless of their own sentiment.

and how do you think Tata stand on that?
it seems to me that the management of most companies do not wish to be seen pushing their employees in either direction

"UKIP got the number of votes predicted and the number of seats. their problem is that they are diluted across all constituencies. they have very little concentration apart from pockets of racist in Essex and Kent" ..

For your information a lot of UKIP voters were EX tory...UKIP got more votes then the SNP..Liberal...Clywd Cumri put together...

The SNP won over 50 seats the LibDems 8.....Errrr something not right there!!!!..

As to your(Haystack) derogatory remarks of 'pockets of racist' in Essex and Kent...What do YOU base those facts on??.

Is it that there are some people who wish to defend their way of life, their culture, their jobs....COME ON, DO TELL...

Getting more votes is not enough. With the votes evenly spread you don't win seats. It is why the Libs do well at times. They have dense concentrations of voters in a small number of constituencies. UKIP would have needed around 25% of the vote to get even 20 MPs. Labour dominate metropolitan areas and the Conservatives dominate rural areas. UKIP have almost no party machinery at local level. They have a mountain to climb to get anywhere.

It's fair to say that the vast majority of UKIP voters will vote to LEAVE, 4m is a nice base to start from.
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There was an odd poll a couple weeks ago. They asked people who voted UKIP in the election about the referendum. A surprising 28% said they would vote in. In this case they did ask the right people.

Haystack YOU'VE not answered YOUR accusation of pockets of racist in Essex and Kent??

YOU REALLY DO NEED TO ANSWER YOUR ALLEGATIONS!!!

And yes it is an odd poll...Which means it wasn't a true one, by the fact it was before camerons failed 'reforms' negotiations, they were asked if he came back with SUBSTANTIAL reforms would they vote to remain...

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT...Haystack.

Well as a long term inhabitant of southern England, even before the bizzare rise of UKIP, it was clear that Essex and Kent contained redneck racists.

YOU still have not quantified your accusation and what you constitute as a racist...

Either substantiate them or recinde them!!!....

Perhaps, Little Englanders!