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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Fred1new - 01 Sep 2010 18:16 - 3509 of 6906

Accepted.

fahel - 04 Sep 2010 11:04 - 3510 of 6906

This is done by an Israeli amazing not just land also books stolen.
The Great Book Robbery (teaser) on Vimeob

Click here.....V V V

http://vimeo.com/6303260

Haystack - 06 Sep 2010 13:41 - 3511 of 6906

06/09/2010
Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman declared that the first round of the direct negotiations between his occupation state and Palestinian de facto president Mahmoud Abbas miserably failed a few days after they were launched in Washington.

The Israeli media quoted Lieberman as saying during his meeting with members of Yisrael Beiteinu parliamentary bloc that it would be unlikely to reach a comprehensive agreement with the Palestinians over the next year or the next generation.

Gausie - 08 Sep 2010 06:49 - 3512 of 6906

yuff - 08 Sep 2010 10:24 - 3513 of 6906

Wonderful Gausie

Haystack - 08 Sep 2010 13:26 - 3514 of 6906

Israel is preparing for what is being described by its army as the mother of all flotillas, which could include up to 20 different ships planning to set sail for the Gaza Strip in the coming months, Jerusalem Post reported on Tuesday.

The English language newspaper said that the army is closely tracking the planned flotilla, preparing for wide-range of scenarios including the possibility that due the large number of ships, it will need to stop the flotilla far from regional shores.

Anwar Gharbi, a member of the European campaign to end the siege on Gaza which is one of the founders of the freedom flotilla, said that hundreds of NGOs were backing the Freedom Flotilla 2.

He told Quds Press that alliances were made in various European countries, which include tens of human rights groups, to support the fleet.

We hope to have a broad coalition from European countries, and also maybe the United States, Dror Feiler, an Israeli-Swedish musician and artist who lives in Stockholm and one of the organizers behind the flotilla told The Jerusalem Post on Monday. We would like it to be double the size of the last flotilla, with at least a dozen ships and more than thousand people.

Haystack - 09 Sep 2010 12:28 - 3515 of 6906

The British magazine "The Economist" has ruled out the possibility of forging a peace agreement between the PA in Ramallah and Israel without the consent of Hamas.

It said in an article published on Wednesday that no such agreement would be possible without the approval of Hamas, which represents almost half of the Palestinians and controls the Gaza Strip.

The magazine called for the involvement of Hamas in the direct talks, noting, however, that the movement was not ready yet to accept the three conditions set by the international community in order to integrate it in the peace process mainly declaring ceasefire, recognizing Israel and abiding by former PA-Israeli agreements.

The article expressed understanding for Hamas's refusal of such conditions

Gausie - 09 Sep 2010 20:36 - 3516 of 6906

Haystack

Is this the article you're misrepresenting with your statement: "The article expressed understanding for Hamas' refusal of such conditions"?

Why would you imply that The Economist sympathises with Hamas's refusal? Did you even read the article? Or was it another blind cut and paste from a partisan news agency? Maybe this one: ABNA (fundamentalist Shia news agency)? Amongst its many insane ramblings is a press release that is a word for word copy of your post above.


Bringing Hamas to the table

Sep 2nd 2010, 14:50 by Lexington

THIS is straying out of area but with Egypt's President Mubarak staying in the hotel at the bottom of my road in DC and blocking local traffic it is probably permissible.

Anyhow, I was delighted at the beginning of this week's Middle East peace summit in Washington to hear George Mitchell, America's peace envoy, nail the much-quoted argument that Hamas should be invited into the peace process in Palestine, just like the IRA was in Northern Ireland. This is what he said:

Let me say theyre very different And while we should learn what we can from other processes, each is unique... But on the central point, the reality is that in Northern Ireland, Sinn Fn, the political party that is affiliated with the IRA, did not enter the negotiations until after 15 months had elapsed in the negotiations, and only then because they met two central conditions that had been established. The first was a ceasefire, and the second was a publicly stated commitment to what came to be known as the Mitchell Principles because I was the chairman of the commission that established them.

Exactly. Of course there will be no final deal on Palestine without the acquiescence of Hamas, which represents at least half of the Palestinian movement and controls the Gaza Strip. Of course it should be at the table at some point. But Hamas has so far locked itself out of the talks by its refusal to accept the three conditions laid down by the international community: a ceasefire, recognising Israel and abiding by previous agreements signed between Israel and the Palestinians. I understand why agreeing to these conditions is difficult for a movement with Hamas's history. But, please, no more IRA comparisons.

Gausie - 09 Sep 2010 21:06 - 3517 of 6906

More Abna 'news agency' gems:

Is it true that mc D is using pork fat to keep the fries crunchy?

Hello

This is your answer about the using of pork in the MC products.

Yes, MC uses the pork in some of its products. We have evidence through the MC site that you can see it in the MC site here:

http://nutrition.mcdonalds.com/nutritionexchange/nutrition_ingredients.html?DCSext.destination=http://nutrition.mcdonalds.com/nutritionexchange/nutrition_ingredients.html

It is notable that the MC is an Anti Islam corporation and the supporter of Occupier Israel and US. And you know how these behave with the Muslims especially the innocent Palestinians. We think it is better not to use its product, because of this; the buyer of their products in a different way would support the act of Israel and US with Muslims in the ME and throughout the world.

For being more aware of the companies witch support the Occupier of the Palestine visit the link below: BRANDS & LABELS TO BOYCOTT
9/11 was a CIA-Mossad inside job


News agency? Or Nutjobs? You decide.

Isaacs - 09 Sep 2010 21:30 - 3518 of 6906

Thanks for that Gausie. Reading Haystacks original post I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Haystack - 09 Sep 2010 22:14 - 3519 of 6906

I did read the Economist article and I did copy the post from a news agency and not the one that you mention.

I did not say sympathises. I said understands, which is what the article says. Understands is pretty accurate. sympathises is not.

I would not make the comparison with Hamas and the IRA. I have no sympathy with the IRA at all and regard them as a terrorist organisation. Hamas are fighting for the return of their land, which has been stolen by Israeli terrorists.

cynic - 10 Sep 2010 09:03 - 3520 of 6906

(anti)semitic semantics?

i confess when i read "understands" in hayseed's post, i also understood it to mean "sympathises", as the word is often used to mean that in english ..... i can't get inside his head (thank goodness), but given the source of the post, i'm damn sure that was what was intended, arguably with an intentional weasel escape route

Fred1new - 10 Sep 2010 09:24 - 3521 of 6906

Cynic,

Which village in England do you originate from?

I doubt that "sympathise" and "understand" are synonymous for the majority of those who speak English.

I think that I am beginning to have some understand some of the problems which you have with comprehension of the reasoned arguments of others.




cynic - 10 Sep 2010 09:32 - 3522 of 6906

because clearly you didn't learn english except as a foreign language

Haystack - 10 Sep 2010 11:04 - 3523 of 6906

The source "ABNA (fundamentalist Shia news agency)" quoted by Gause is NOT the source of the article. Even they quote a source where they got it from.

I take the point about 'sympathise' and 'understand' having similar uses at times, but my undertanding (there's that word again) was of the more precise use of the word.

cynic - 10 Sep 2010 11:29 - 3524 of 6906

no one disputes that "understand" can mean precisely understand OR sympathise!

was it not the white rabbit who said that he said what he meant and that it meant what he said it meant - or somesuch?

mnamreh - 10 Sep 2010 11:43 - 3525 of 6906

.

Fred1new - 10 Sep 2010 16:58 - 3526 of 6906

N,

You haven't experienced the same women as I have.

mnamreh - 10 Sep 2010 18:22 - 3527 of 6906

.

fahel - 12 Sep 2010 11:07 - 3528 of 6906


Amazing Map of Middle East

(fascinating changes with continued instability)

This is an amazing, constantly changing map of the Middle East region, illustrating how various "empires" have risen and fallen in the past 5000 years--in just 90 seconds
http://www.mapsofwar.com/images/EMPIRE17.swf
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