Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

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"fun" said tongue in cheek, mnamreh :)
As long as an individual like hey parrot continues to demonise and try to de-legitimise an entire people and nation, then I am not prepared to stand by and watch him do so unchallenged. Something about not standing by when you see evil......
Since he seems to spend so much of his existence trying to bait others, then only a taste of his own medicine is left as he himself has asserted he chooses not to be objective, rational or debate in a civilised way.

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Correct in principle, but when the likes of hey parrot, fahel, clubbie, freddie boy can only post hatred then it is hopeless. Earlier in the thread I tried to raise the tone with some objective discussion, but you can't be rational with the irrational and the hate filled people of the world. They are basically fascistic nazis in the broad sense of the phrase, rather than National Socialists.
You can only communicate with such individuals in a language they understand.

ITLOB is absolutely right when the likes of Hayseed admit to being totally blinded by prejudice ..... there's no common sense or objectivity to be found in that quarter and from those of similar ilk

Don't you think the Israelis are blinded by prejudice. They are probably the most islamaphobic nation in the world. Interestingly, the Palestinians, Arabs in general and muslims are almost devoid of anti-semitism. They are opposed to Israel and Zionism and NOT Jews.

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m,
I think it is being overly optimistic and a trifle unrealistic to think the means of communication with the Hitlers, Stalins, Pol Pots of the world would have made any difference. On a pathetic cyber level, there are comparisons with some posters on this thread.
There comes a time when, regrettably, words of attempted conflict resolution are futile.
I suspect you believe all people can be reached out to, and all matters can be resolved by discussion. Frankly, there is a much greater probability of a settlement between Israel and the Palestinians than of ever communicating rationally with the people I mentioned earlier.
Peace will come one day and the two states will live side by side in relative harmony because it is in the interests of them both to do so. The same situation does not apply to those on this thread unwilling to set aside their hatreds and prejudices.
hay parrot et al will one day be left isolated and stupified by events beyond their blinkered perceptions.

here or in the real world as in attempted peace settlement in m/e?
if the latter, it is a sad fact of life that both protagonists contain elements that are intent on destruction.
that said, there is for sure a huge amount going on behind the scenes which will not become apparent for many years.
by that time, no doubt i shall be dead, either relatively naturally or just perhaps through the intervention of one of the international loonies

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remember that the media, even of the so-called free world is not told everything, and indeed will intentionally be fed disinformation from time to time.

it's a nice thought that the power-brokers and other baleful outside influences can be bypassed, but unfortunately reality dictates otherwise ...... nevertheless, as with the most acrimonious of strikes, a solution of kinds will eventually be brokered ..... ultimately it is the public at large which dictates events, though it can take an interminable time for it to realise that and to act accordingly.

ITLOTB
It would be interesting to see what legitimacy you think there is for the existence of the state of Israel, the extra land they have taken time and time again and the building of settlements in areas that even they have accepted are for the Palestinians.

for goodness sake hayseed ..... you've admitted your blind bigotry, so try disappearing back down your rat hole, as de facto you can have nothing sensible (objective) to contribute

Superb post about the parrot, cynic :)

Not bigotry, I am just a supporter of Palestinians. What ligitimacy do you think Israel has? There are more than a million Palestinian refugees who used to live in areas that Israel has taken.

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sorry hayseed, as a few weeks ago you admitted to being blindly prejudiced, and indeed you consistently do so now; your post 3552 is plainly indicative of same ..... i shall not waste my time on you

No. I did not admit to being blindly prejudiced. I said that I was a supporter of Palestinians and Palestine and was not interested in being objective.

Objective - undistorted by personal bias

Show me a person who is unbiased and i will show you someone with no opinions.

We are all biased even if we do not realise it.

mnamreh

Post Sep 2010 15:19 - 3539

One of the reasons for starting this thread was to keep the Israeli Palestinian conflict in the mind's eye.

I thought there was a preponderance of anti-Palestinian press and hoped for a little more balance.

I think the thread successful.

Cynic,

If you countered Hays, by argument than personal attack you may be able to advance more positively your stance.

Not sure that you are capable of doing so.

Personally, without the involvement of Hamas this round of negotiations is doomed to failure.

Sadly, I feel Israel is satisfying the political needs of Obama and hoping that this may lay support for any attempts at destroying Iran's nuclear development.

"I feel Israel is satisfying the political needs of Obama"

Maybe that should have read "I feel Israel is satisfying the commercial needs of Blair"

The Mail on Sunday newspaper revealed that the international quartet's envoy to the Middle East, Tony Blair abused his position in return for money to process transactions for enterprises inside and outside Palestine.

According to the newspaper, Blair does not give much attention to the humanitarian issues of Palestinians, and rather he has been, since becoming a part-time envoy, preoccupied with his own personal interests and building his secretive business empire.

The Mail on Sunday explained that Blair mounted an intense political campaign to save the Palestinians telecom company, Al-Wataniya, from collapsing after Israel refused to let it use the radio frequencies it needed to operate, and pressured the Israeli premier and other officials to change their minds towards this firm.

It said that JP Morgan, the American investment bank that employs Blair as a consultant, has a financial stake in Wataniya through Wataniya's owner, the Qatari firm Qtel, which is an important client of JP Morgan.

He is paid not only by JP Morgan but also by the insurance giant Zurich, and his own private consulting firm, Tony Blair associates, counts among its clients the royal families of Abu Dhabi and Kuwait.

A frequent visitor to Libya, he has used his personal friendship with president Muammar Al- Gaddafi to explore business opportunities there on behalf of JP Morgan.

With ten rooms permanently booked at Jerusalems most expensive hotel, the American Colony, at an annual cost of 1.1 million, he spends a few days there each month, the newspaper noted.

The Mail on Sunday's report also had plenty about the longstanding issue around Wataniya as one of the biggest examples of corruption in the Palestinian Authority.

Reuters news agency had also unveiled last year that US aid in the form of loan guarantees meant for Palestinian farmers and other small to mid-sized businesses had been given to a mobile phone firm backed by de facto president Mahmoud Abbas and Gulf investors.