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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

cynic - 14 Sep 2010 17:35 - 3553 of 6906

for goodness sake hayseed ..... you've admitted your blind bigotry, so try disappearing back down your rat hole, as de facto you can have nothing sensible (objective) to contribute

In The Land of the B - 14 Sep 2010 17:37 - 3554 of 6906

Superb post about the parrot, cynic :)

Haystack - 14 Sep 2010 17:37 - 3555 of 6906

Not bigotry, I am just a supporter of Palestinians. What ligitimacy do you think Israel has? There are more than a million Palestinian refugees who used to live in areas that Israel has taken.

mnamreh - 14 Sep 2010 17:54 - 3556 of 6906

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cynic - 14 Sep 2010 18:01 - 3557 of 6906

sorry hayseed, as a few weeks ago you admitted to being blindly prejudiced, and indeed you consistently do so now; your post 3552 is plainly indicative of same ..... i shall not waste my time on you

Haystack - 14 Sep 2010 18:18 - 3558 of 6906

No. I did not admit to being blindly prejudiced. I said that I was a supporter of Palestinians and Palestine and was not interested in being objective.

Objective - undistorted by personal bias

Show me a person who is unbiased and i will show you someone with no opinions.

We are all biased even if we do not realise it.

Fred1new - 14 Sep 2010 18:22 - 3559 of 6906

mnamreh

Post Sep 2010 15:19 - 3539

One of the reasons for starting this thread was to keep the Israeli Palestinian conflict in the mind's eye.

I thought there was a preponderance of anti-Palestinian press and hoped for a little more balance.

I think the thread successful.

Cynic,

If you countered Hays, by argument than personal attack you may be able to advance more positively your stance.

Not sure that you are capable of doing so.

Personally, without the involvement of Hamas this round of negotiations is doomed to failure.

Sadly, I feel Israel is satisfying the political needs of Obama and hoping that this may lay support for any attempts at destroying Iran's nuclear development.

Haystack - 14 Sep 2010 18:48 - 3560 of 6906

"I feel Israel is satisfying the political needs of Obama"

Maybe that should have read "I feel Israel is satisfying the commercial needs of Blair"

The Mail on Sunday newspaper revealed that the international quartet's envoy to the Middle East, Tony Blair abused his position in return for money to process transactions for enterprises inside and outside Palestine.

According to the newspaper, Blair does not give much attention to the humanitarian issues of Palestinians, and rather he has been, since becoming a part-time envoy, preoccupied with his own personal interests and building his secretive business empire.

The Mail on Sunday explained that Blair mounted an intense political campaign to save the Palestinians telecom company, Al-Wataniya, from collapsing after Israel refused to let it use the radio frequencies it needed to operate, and pressured the Israeli premier and other officials to change their minds towards this firm.

It said that JP Morgan, the American investment bank that employs Blair as a consultant, has a financial stake in Wataniya through Wataniya's owner, the Qatari firm Qtel, which is an important client of JP Morgan.

He is paid not only by JP Morgan but also by the insurance giant Zurich, and his own private consulting firm, Tony Blair associates, counts among its clients the royal families of Abu Dhabi and Kuwait.

A frequent visitor to Libya, he has used his personal friendship with president Muammar Al- Gaddafi to explore business opportunities there on behalf of JP Morgan.

With ten rooms permanently booked at Jerusalems most expensive hotel, the American Colony, at an annual cost of 1.1 million, he spends a few days there each month, the newspaper noted.

The Mail on Sunday's report also had plenty about the longstanding issue around Wataniya as one of the biggest examples of corruption in the Palestinian Authority.

Reuters news agency had also unveiled last year that US aid in the form of loan guarantees meant for Palestinian farmers and other small to mid-sized businesses had been given to a mobile phone firm backed by de facto president Mahmoud Abbas and Gulf investors.

cynic - 14 Sep 2010 19:06 - 3561 of 6906

fred - most assuredly i do not need your blessing or guidance .... as far as i am concerned, and by the looks of it, a number of others on this BB concur, hayseed is hanged by his own postings as are a number of others

Fred1new - 14 Sep 2010 21:38 - 3562 of 6906

Cynic,

Some are blind to their own needs!

I think the postings of Hays more pertinent to the issues under discussion than your exposing personal rants.

Do try harder!

You may be able to do better!

Did you fall in the Loire?


In The Land of the B - 14 Sep 2010 21:49 - 3563 of 6906

"hoisted with his own petard" is the phrase but that would be beyond their comprehension, so cynic is quite right to put it in baby talk.

mnamreh - 15 Sep 2010 07:43 - 3564 of 6906

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cynic - 15 Sep 2010 08:13 - 3565 of 6906

ITLOB - actually, you're spot on and i should indeed have used that phrase ..... for those who do not know, a petard is an explosive charge, so the phrase effectively means (of course) that hayseed blows himself out of the water

required field - 15 Sep 2010 08:14 - 3566 of 6906

This looks like a short.

Fred1new - 15 Sep 2010 09:00 - 3567 of 6906

N,

I did understand your original point and the response to the topic is as I expected.

The level of vehemence was a little more than expected and level of discord reminded me of the kitchen sink schools pre-fight arguments.

With the intrangience shown, what chance is there for peace in the Middle East.

Perhaps, an idea for another topic.

mnamreh - 15 Sep 2010 09:10 - 3568 of 6906

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cynic - 15 Sep 2010 09:10 - 3569 of 6906

as i said in post 3551 ......

ultimately it is the public at large which dictates events, though it can take an interminable time for it to realise that and to act accordingly.

mnamreh - 15 Sep 2010 09:17 - 3570 of 6906

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fahel - 15 Sep 2010 09:20 - 3571 of 6906

UTube - Interview with Shlomo Sand Author of The Invention of the
Jewish People Parts 1&2
To some it will sound "Controversial"
to others :
It is a "Revelation" of the Truth (Based on Well Researched FACTS).
Part 1/2 Click here V V V
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdRjochckms
Part 2/2 click here V V V
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic7vHSryjEs&NR=1

cynic - 15 Sep 2010 09:23 - 3572 of 6906

M - it was the public groundswell in northern ireland that ultimately led to peace there (no political claptrap from anyone please), and so it will be i suspect in m/e
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