Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

ah yes, i'd forgotten your wonderful objective "evidence" .... and i know you actually believe that you have either the will or the capability to enter into sensible OBJECTIVE discussion ..... very wrong!

Well, that's certainly true of ITLOTB as he never even attempts to use evidence or logic. Unfortunately, you confuse having a point of view to being bigoted. Everyone posting on here has a point of view. You would expect people to provide evidence and use logic that supports their point of view.

not so ..... but a better opinion can be divined through listening, being objective and being prepared to change one's mind if warranted ..... your own stance is tand utterly entrenched (aka bigoted) as you regularly admit or implicitly imply through your inflammatory language in posts ..... you'ld make a lousy judge, even of cream cakes at WI!

Not so, I have a strongly held position whcih does not coincide with yours or ITLOTB. I have never said that I would not change my view. I have yet to see any evidence that would persuade though. Certainly none from ITLOTB as he never provides any. At least I put forward my argument with evidence to back it up. Where is his and yours?

i don't think you even know my position, other than it does not coincide with yours .... however, i do know that i avoid, at least nearly all the time, the sort of rabble-rousing adjectives that you seem to think carry some sort of persuasion .... actually, the opposite is more likely to be the case to anyone with an engaged brain

Well, this is THE limit. In its latest issue, TIME Magazine accuses
Israelis of having it too good! They are wallowing in cash, they don't care
about peace anymore....
Sorry TIME that we didn't all go into mass depression after Oslo and the
worst terrorist attacks on a civilian population in human history. We don't
care about peace? Would you, if all your efforts resulted in streets filled
with children's blood? Brides blown up the night before their wedding?
Babies shot between the eyes by snipers?
Only 60 years after the Holocaust, Israelis took the most enormous leap of
faith, signing a peace accord with a known terrorist, shaking his hand for
Pete's sake! And when this delusional or heroic attempt at imagining the
best resulted in the worst, yes, Israelis forgot about peace, not because
they don't want it, but because they understand no one is offering it to
them.
As for Israelis being smart enough to turn their little desert into a
blooming high-tech miracle and avoid the pitfalls of the Americans who
destroyed their economy and their educational system and culture with trashy
ideas and a bleeding heart ideology, whose fault is that?
Israelis, many of whom are second or third generation survivors, have an
atom bomb hanging over their heads thanks to Americans and Europeans and
still more trashy, bleeding heart ideas. So, yes, we go to the beach. We
buy good wines. We work hard. We take care of our poor. We don't whine.
And we don't expect miracles. We expect the worst, and we make the most of
the best. That's not a source of shame. It's something the idiot at TIME,
Karl Vick, who wrote the article, and his editors and subscribers could
learn from.
And before you follow in the wake of you sister-trash-always-wrong "news"
magazine, NEWSWEEK, why not do a cover story on why Palestinians don't want
peace? I assure you that many pictures are available of Palestinians on the
beautiful beach in Gaza, in fancy hotels and restaurants. But I guess it's
not much of a news story. After all, you and the rest of the world, have
known that for years.

Talking of cut and pase, the post above is all over the internet. Here are a couple of links to it word for word.

from Moshe Preger in his blog
http://www.marcpreger.com/MarcsBlog

from the Yahoo Groups United We Stand For Israel
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unitedwestandforisrael/message/3847

The post is really pointless. Who really cares whether the Israelis want peace or not. They are occupying someone else's land and that is the nub of it.

and that is why your postings are pointless as you are incapable of being objective and dispassionate ...... should the english not have houses in wales? ..... should the scots and irish be sent back whence they came? .... should the europeans be forced to vacate australia? ..... that's not dissimilar from your argument and about as stupid, though you will not be expected to agree.

since when was gaza gifted(?) or owned(?) by the residents of gaza?
are the residents of gaza the indigenous people?
of course they're not! ... they're from similar nomadic stock to the rest of the world, especially the m/e one

The Palestinians used to occupy the land where Israel is now. That can clearlly be seen by the million plus refugees that have had to leave the area and who Israel will not allow back. the majority of Israelis have no ethnic link back to Israel even thousands of years ago as they are just descendants of people who were converts to the Jewish faith. I mention the Jewish faith as Israel is not a democracy. It defines itself as a Jewish state. Countries belong to their populations. Not so with Israel. An Arab living in Israel may vote, but it is not his country by definition.

By the way, by whay legal authority does Israel bar Gaza from all exporting. how are they supposed to have an economy under those conditions

who are the palestinians? ...... for sure they have no national identity (not quite the right phrase, but it'll do) and are not even closely indigenous to gaza and the surrounds - dangerous of you to use that word "occupy" in the circumstances! ..... indeed, they are but an amalgam of all sorts of tribes and peoples from the region, ranging from canaanites to moabites and at least a score of others

thus the same question arises as i posed previously, which you ignored

A simple definition would be someone who was born or descended from a person who was born in the region that was known as Palestine either prior to 1918 or a citizen of the area called Palestine when it was under the control of the British. That includes Arabs and Jews living there at the time.

In terms of people who were and are Palestinians and are now refugees, they currently live in several countries as displaced persons. These countries include 1.9 million live in Jordan, one and a half million in Syria and Lebanon, a quarter million in Saudi Arabia and Chile's has half a million. Plus there are those in Gaza and the West Bank? They are mainly Muslim with a sprinking of Christians.

The bulk of Israelis are there by immigration, with no previous ties to the area.

Here is a scanned page from a book written by Ben-Gurion. He also states in an article written in 1918 "Palestine is not an empty country . . . on no account must we injure the rights of the inhabitants."

your first definition has some merit, even though, unless i am much mistaken, palestinian was an artificial state in the same way as is iraq.

the second part is a load of nonsense and spoils your point.

i will just restate what i have said many times on this thread .....

in many ways i think the israelis (the gov't) have acted disgustingly
i think there should be a separate state or homeland for the palestinians
i assuredly believe the state of israel has a right to exist, though i'm unsure what its borders should be
i think the arab states should acknowledge israel's right to a peaceful existence

But what argument is there for Israel exisiting as a separate state other than it it is there now? The area was mainly indigenously Arab, so on that basis it should be Arab Palestine with the inhabitants of Israel living under that state. I am not suggesting that the Isralis are expelled, but that they give control of the whole region back to the Palestinians.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the US govt should "give back" the entire continental United States to the indigenous Native peoples.
Unlike Israel where Jews have lived for thousands of years, European, Asian and Hispanic immigrants weren't in the US until the C17th so according to parrot's "logic" have no right to live in the US.

ITLOB - i wasn't going to put it QUITE that way

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israel is, and that is a matter of fact, whether the extremist arab sector and its adherents like it or not.

similarly, palestine isn't, though as i have posted previously, i certainly think there should be a palestinian homeland of some configuration ...... perhaps the neighbouring arab states would like to donate a few hundred thousand square miles to their favourite cause!

that's about as succinctly as i can put it

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cynic,
It's no good putting it in too sophisticated terms for parrot et al :)

Yes, there should be a homeland for Palestinians and most Israelis accept that.
I have no objection whatsoever to there being a 23rd Muslim state in the region as long as there is one "Jewish" state where Jews can live happily with the existing one million plus Arab Israelis......and in peace with its Palestinian neighbour.

In an ideal world there should be no need of a Jewish, Muslim or Christian state per se and religion and all its baggage confined to history, but you have to live in the realpolitick world as it is and make the best of it; perhaps work step by step towards a better world free of the hatreds and delegitimisation and demonisations of parrot, freddie boy, clubbie, fahel and their ilk.

It is their intolerance and hatreds which create the problems in the first place.

ITLOTB
This is not ancient history or even the history at the time of the colonisation by the British. This is the disenfranchisement and the theft of the land of people who are alive NOW. This is people's land and homes who are living as refugees right now. there is a solution, but not one that Israel would like. Their land is still being illegally taken on a daily basis by Israel. This is not some artifact of history that you might read about in a history book. This is Israel indulging in ethnic cleasing now.

Israel is NOT existing due to some collective wish for a Jewish homeland. It is there bevause of a Zionist movement started in the 1800s. This movement has retstated many times their intention to cleanse the area of Arabs by violent means to gain the territory.

No good addressing me, Goebbels the parrot.
Your outrageous lies as in 3629 put you beyond normal communication.
Any comment I make in the future is for normal people to read, (or even fred), if they so wish.
You can wallow in your Straussian obsessional psychosis, (of which you demonstrate classical symptoms), as you are well beyond help.

hayseed ...you spout your usual load of unthinking and unthought claptrap ... try reading, learning and thinking for yourself, though i concur with others, that this may well be beyond your will or even capability

itlob ... how doe one dispel blind prejudice and the horrors it brings in its wake?