Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
In The Land of the B
- 21 Jan 2011 17:41
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yep, crapola propaganda, crapola propaganda, crapola propaganda zzzzzzzzz................
Haystack
- 21 Jan 2011 18:53
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ITLOTB
And I thought it was your silly socialist nutters that had the propaganda.
It is quite simple. Israel is someone else's country and stealing their land day by day, torturing their residents and indulging in ethnic cleansing.
Haystack
- 21 Jan 2011 19:03
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The Israeli army acquitted an Israeli soldier who Killed Omar Al-Qawasmi, 65, in his sleep in Al-Khalil two weeks ago and discharged another who joined in the shooting of the old man.
The media sources that published the report did not mention the fact that the soldiers did not alert Qawasmi, who was sleeping, before shooting him.
cynic
- 22 Jan 2011 08:49
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in simple terms what we have in this manipulated shambles in israel/gaza is the application of deuteronomic law
Haystack
- 22 Jan 2011 12:30
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Rather it is the attempted use of deuteronomic law.
cynic
- 22 Jan 2011 16:10
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by both!
today's saudi paper made interesting reading, for the letters page was very balanced on this subject and surrounding aspects - which is more than can be said for this thread
Haystack
- 22 Jan 2011 18:10
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An Israeli organization has compiled many statements by Israeli soldiers confessing to war crimes against unarmed Palestinians in a book that will be released soon and sold in Europe.
Breaking the Silence will release this month details of torture and murder incidents committed by 180 soldiers from 2000 to 2009.
Testimonies, tapes and images have already been in circulation, but the soldiers who testified will for the first time ever reveal their identities and faces.
Breaking the Silence founder Yehuda Shaul, who is an ex-soldier, said he aimed to launch debate in Israel about the country's army.
"[The Israeli army] is corrupting the youth," Shaul said.
The book, containing first time ever released details, is expected to spark controversy in Israel and the world over.
Breaking the Silence has a membership of 700 former soldiers and activists.
fahel
- 23 Jan 2011 16:38
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January 20, 2011
Palestinians, America and the U.N.
By HANAN ASHRAWI
Palestinians are well within their rights to bring the issue of Israeli settlements and their illegality before the United Nations Security Council. Our decision to do so follows both Israel's refusal to cease all settlement activity in the occupied Palestinian territory, and America's failure to ensure Israel's compliance with international law and existing agreements. The United States should support such a move, not block it.
It is universally recognized that Israeli settlements are illegal under international law, and that without a full cessation of all settlement activity, Palestinian-Israeli negotiations and the two-state solution are both doomed. In spite of the dilution of American public statements, the United States still recognizes settlements as illegal. Not only are they a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention; under the Rome Statute, they are considered a war crime.
With America unwilling to hold Israel accountable to international law and existing agreements, Israel has remained intransigent in the face of international efforts to revive genuine negotiations. A Security Council resolution would reaffirm today's international consensus in support of the two-state solution by recognizing the threat posed by illegal settlements.
This is not rocket science. Settlements are built on occupied Palestinian land. They also entail the exploitation of Palestine's natural resources, including water. Both belong to a future Palestinian state. Without them, no Palestinian state can be viable.
The true impact of Israeli settlements is measured not only by the way they undermine the two-state solution; it is also the enormous damage they inflict on countless Palestinian communities.
Settlements superimpose a colonial grid over the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. They constitute an illegal exercise of Israeli extraterritoriality in Palestine. Built on the expropriation and theft of Palestinian land, they dominate the surrounding hilltops of the occupied West Bank, encircling and besieging Palestinian towns and villages below.
They stand at the heart of an ever expanding web of checkpoints, walls, roadblocks and settler-only bypass roads that marginalize Palestinian realities and render all normal life impossible. Palestinian farms, businesses and homes have all been destroyed to make way for settlement expansion, while Palestinian lives and livelihoods have been shattered in the process.
The rights and protections enshrined under international law apply as much to Palestinians as to anyone else. Indeed, at the very heart of the Palestinian struggle is a determination to win back these very rights and protections long denied us by Israel. This applies as much to the rights of Palestinian refugees living in exile for the last 60 years, as it does to the many Palestinians who have suffered for over four decades under the brutality of an Israeli military occupation.
Settlements are a fundamental part of this. Given that they continue to expand in flagrant violation of international law, it is perfectly reasonable for Palestinians to turn to the United Nations as a forum in which to pursue their legitimate rights.
The question is not whether or not Palestinians should approach the United Nations. We have every right to pursue all legal avenues available to us, whether in the absence of or parallel to negotiations, just as the African National Congress did in its struggle to overthrow apartheid in South Africa. Rather, the question is why the United States should oppose such a move, particularly given that its own attempts to revive Palestinian-Israeli negotiations have been thwarted time and again by Israel's refusal to stop building settlements.
Negotiations are not a substitute for international law. Rather, they should be guided by international law, which alone establishes the benchmarks for a just peace. Nor are settlements a bilateral issue whose illegality is up for discussion.
It is just such a message that the Obama administration is in danger of sending by opposing a Security Council resolution reaffirming the illegality of Israeli settlements. It sets up a false opposition between negotiations and international law, substituting one for the other. And it closes down what few avenues are open to Palestinians, in the absence of negotiations, to continue our national struggle through nonviolent means.
The U.N. charter explicitly references its "faith in fundamental human rights" and the need to uphold "conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law" be respected. What could be more applicable than the damage done by Israeli violations, in particular unilateral measures like settlement activity?
Hanan Ashrawi is a former Palestinian peace negotiator and an elected member of both the Palestine Liberation Organizations executive committee and the Palestinian Legislative Council.
cynic
- 23 Jan 2011 19:01
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why do all you guys have to write or c+p such verbose crap ..... did your primary school never teach you to precis? .... seemingly not!
more to the point, do none of you have a single original or personal thought in your head that therefore obliges you spew out someone else's diarhhea in lieu?
XSTEFFX
- 24 Jan 2011 00:26
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CYNIC YOU MUST BE A JEW AND IT MUSTBE SO HARD FOR YOU.
cynic
- 24 Jan 2011 05:15
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no need to shout at me; this isn't an arab souk! ..... yes i am indeed jewish but that certainly does not mean that i hold with the appalling way that the israeli gov't is behaving ...... my own views on this mess are posted somewhere on this site (several times!), but i do find it singularly boring when the whole place is swamped with verbose c+p
Fred1new
- 24 Jan 2011 09:23
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Cynic,
Perhaps, you are suffering from "attention deficit syndrome", or early dementia and don't realise it.
As said many times before, there is no external compulsion to read any thread, or any of its content.
Also. perhaps, many posts are not for your attention or benefit alone.
8-)
Fred1new
- 24 Jan 2011 13:51
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I wonder how much Israeli, American and British "administrations" were offering Abas and Fatah hierarchy, to sign away the rights of those they were representing.
I wonder where the pay line is?
You can smell the stench.
cynic
- 24 Jan 2011 14:01
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there is no external compulsion to smell any stench, real or imagined ...... a clothes peg should do the trick, or failing that, a sealed polythene bag over the head
Fred1new
- 24 Jan 2011 14:08
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Cynic,
I will cut it short for you.
Do you think you could get a plastic bag big enough to get your head in?
cynic
- 24 Jan 2011 14:10
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oh easily ... and you? .... or do you prefer the gimp mask?
Fred1new
- 24 Jan 2011 14:46
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Don't know the term.
cynic
- 24 Jan 2011 15:06
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try looking it up then - DYOR as they say
mnamreh
- 24 Jan 2011 15:18
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.
hilary
- 24 Jan 2011 15:28
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Fred and gimp mask are three words which, under no circumstances, should ever be used in the same sentence. I feel a bit queasy now.