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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 06 Jan 2011 15:24 - 4081 of 6906

Wikileaks revealed that Israel told the US embassy in Tel Aviv in cables that it intended to keep the economy in the besieged Gaza Strip on the brink of collapse through tightening the blockade on its people.

Some of the cables illustrated that Israel kept the US embassy briefed on its blockade of Gaza people.

As part of their overall embargo plan against Gaza, Israeli officials confirmed in one of the cables to the US embassy on multiple occasions that they intend to keep the Gaza economy on the brink of collapse without quite pushing it over the edge.

Israel wanted the economy in Gaza functioning at the lowest level possible, but with avoiding a humanitarian crisis, Israeli officials claimed in a cable sent on November 3, 2008.

The economic life in Gaza is facing many hardships and its unemployment rate is considered the highest percentage in the world, where it rose in 2010 to 35 percent.

Israel still does not permit Gaza to export anything so that they cannot earn any foreign currency.

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2011 15:37 - 4082 of 6906

I wonder why Wikileaks seems to have dropped off the media radar?

Perhaps, it is too embarrassing for many.

One can see the duplicity of the American administrations in relationship with Israel's present administration.

Haystack - 06 Jan 2011 15:59 - 4083 of 6906

It is interesting to see that a guy called Muhammed Dahlan, who is a sort of muscle guy for Fatah and the PA is being investigated for a possible coup against Abbas. They have closed down his office and taken away PCs etc.

Before the Oslo accord he was living in virtual poverty. Since Oslo and the pumping of millions into the West Bank, he is rich. he owns several houses and a luxury hotel in another country. There are also rumours of Abbas being on the take. Abbas's tenure of occice finished a year ago and he rules by edict now. He cancelled the elections due last June. This makes the peace process pointless as Abbas and the PA have no legitimacy now.

Haystack - 07 Jan 2011 15:02 - 4084 of 6906

Why are Israeli forces shooting people in their beds?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12133918

7 January 2011 Last updated at 10:19

West Bank civilian dies in Israeli army raid in Hebron

Israeli troops have shot dead a 67-year-old Palestinian man by mistake in an operation to arrest members of the Islamist militant organisation, Hamas.

The pre-dawn raid happened in Hebron, in the West Bank, a day after six supporters of Hamas had been released from jail by the Palestinian Authority.

The man who died was a neighbour of one of the Hamas men.

Hamas has said it holds the Palestinian Authority and Israel responsible.

Reports from the scene of the shooting said it took place in a bedroom on the building's first floor.

The Reuters news agency has reported that the man, Amr Qawasme, was shot and killed in his bed when soldiers broke into his home before dawn.

His wife, Sobheye, said she heard several shots fired and later saw her husband lying in a pool of blood.

"I was praying when they entered. I do not know how they opened the door. They put their hand to my mouth and a rifle to my head," she told Reuters.

"I was shocked. They did not allow me to talk. I asked them, "What did you do?" They asked me to shut up."

Ruth - 08 Jan 2011 11:08 - 4085 of 6906

Fred at last we agree on something re post 4082

Yes wikileaks is very embarrasing for some people isnt it,I couldnt agree more,

IF one popped up what suited your agenda no doubt you would seize the opportunity to copy and paste it, and if it didnt suit your agenda you would simply not even acknowledge it exisited,

Same old same old Fred,

So do you believe these wiki leakes disclosures then, or do you just choose to aknowledge the ones that go with your agenda?


cynic - 08 Jan 2011 11:20 - 4086 of 6906

Ruth - perhaps it would be interesting to enlighten people here re that biblical personage .... any link as to why that should be your handle?

Haystack - 08 Jan 2011 13:00 - 4087 of 6906

I am happy with all the Wikileaks. It is better to have more transparancy.

Gausie - 08 Jan 2011 13:08 - 4088 of 6906

Dear Children

Santa doesn't exist.

Love Julian Assange

Haystack - 08 Jan 2011 13:50 - 4089 of 6906

A Wikileaks document states that Israel's national security council has committed to an initiative to provide the Gaza Strip with enough money to buy only basic materials.

The document discusses downsizing the amount of monies transferred to the Strip monthly, allowing only enough to prevent a collapse in the banking sector.

In The Land of the B - 08 Jan 2011 16:53 - 4090 of 6906

"A Wikileaks document states that Israel's national security council has committed to an initiative to provide the Gaza Strip with enough money to buy only basic materials.

The document discusses downsizing the amount of monies transferred to the Strip monthly, allowing only enough to prevent a collapse in the banking sector."


Over generous if you ask me, considering Hamas, like you, parrot, want to see Israel destroyed. Why don't the Muslim countries provide everything the Gazans need?
In times of war, you blockade your enemy. If Hamas want peace they will find Israel more than willing.
Just like Israel made peace with Egypt and Jordan when they decided peace was better than unending war. It's much kinder of the Israelis to blockade and occasionally raid then what we did to Germany, RELENTLESSLY carpet bombing cities with HE and incendaries burning the population alive. Operation Cast Lead killed fewer civilians than any of our raids did in one night over German cities.
Parrot and freddie few brains, go on then, off you go to Gaza; jihad calls you. Your hate talk is cheap.

Haystack - 08 Jan 2011 18:19 - 4091 of 6906

The Muslim countries do try and provide things that Gaza wants, but Israel limits what Gaza can bring in. Israel also stops Gaza exporting anything at all so they have no income. I see no reasonable comparison to Germany. Germany was heavily armed and was taking land all over Europe. The opposite is true with Israel/Palestine. Israel is heavily armed and taking Palestinian land. They are also oppressing Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank in a way similar to Germany during the occupation of France, Belgium, Holland, Norway, Poland, Czechoslovakia............

I suspect that you know little of what Hamas wants. Hamas is just a movement of resistance against occupation. Remember the French Resistance that used to kill Germans, sabotage German war efforts etc?

cynic - 08 Jan 2011 18:57 - 4092 of 6906

The Muslim countries do try and provide things that Gaza wants .... sorry but that's total rubbish!

Gausie - 08 Jan 2011 19:05 - 4093 of 6906

Not entirely. It provides them with as many rockets, mortars and shells as they can fire.

It's not quite so forthcoming with food, medicine, building supplies etc.

Ruth - 08 Jan 2011 21:39 - 4094 of 6906

Cynic,
Sorry was just having a pop at Fred re a recent wikileaks cable on a different topic, the info within that leak certainly went against his agenda and past accusations on how another foreign police force was incompetent and corrupt etc,(you know the usual Fred nonsense/delusion ) when wikileaks cable actually confirms that wasnt the case at all.

In the post i referred to he said wikileaks was embarrasing for some people, and I was agreeing , it certainly was embarrasing for HIM











Haystack - 08 Jan 2011 22:25 - 4095 of 6906

Muslim countries are proving food medicine etc every few days. There are constant convoys arriving at the checkpoints of Gaza. They have trouble with delivering building supplies as Israel does not permit Gaza to have these.

Unfortunately they also do not permit rockets, mortars, shells etc, which might help address the imbalance between Gaza and its oppressors. They have to resort to smuggling. Israel, of course, does not have this problem as the US is more than happy to supply them with the latest weapons.

One such use of these weapons was the shooting of the 65 year old Palestinian man in bed the other day - "IOF troops quietly entered his flat and went straight to his bedroom and riddled his head and upper body with 13 bullets leaving his brain splattered on the floor mistaking him for someone else".

cynic - 09 Jan 2011 13:42 - 4096 of 6906

Ruth - no need to apologise to me at all ... i was just slightly curious whether or not your handle reflected said lady of biblical mention.

Haystack - Muslim countries are proving food medicine etc every few days. There are constant convoys arriving at the checkpoints of Gaza ..... exactly how many and from which countries? .... not remotely interested in your usual histrionics about weapons etc

Fred1new - 09 Jan 2011 16:05 - 4097 of 6906

Cynic,

exactly how many and from which countries?



Why not do your own homework.

cynic - 09 Jan 2011 18:42 - 4098 of 6906

why should i? ..... you're the guys who reckon you know it all ..... the rest of us are apparently just a bunch of schmucks who won't listen to your truth, even if it is selective - a bit like the guys involved with wikileaks and its championing of freedom of information except when its about themselves

Ruth - 09 Jan 2011 23:02 - 4099 of 6906

Cynic, sorry misunderstood your post re my handle
get it now u mean my name ;-)

My parents arent religeous , just think they liked the name ;-)

fahel - 10 Jan 2011 09:16 - 4100 of 6906


Kindergarten on Israeli TV(2-Min. Video)

U N B E L I E V A B L E.The whole world would have tumbled
down had it been in Arab Kindergartens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Sdkps0Quo
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