Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I tend to agree with what Ken Clarke said today, that Andrea is not really that keen on Leaving at all and nor was Boris. They both saw it as a good strategy to get on in the party.

Andrea Leadsom is the ‘real world’ candidate, with prime Thatcherite credentials. It is no surprise that Tory grandees this week spent hours on the phone persuading her to stand.

She will bill herself as the person who will deliver Brexit because she is passionate about the outcome.

She was the driving force behind the “fresh start” project, set up in 2011, which carried out hundreds of interviews and research projects which rethought Britain’s entire relationship with the EU.

Before she became an MP she was a banker who worked closely with the Bank of England, and so can offer certainty and understanding of the financial markets.

I wonder what her thoughts and credentials are about Foreign Policy?

Here is her "Vote Leave letter to her Constituents" as published on her Blog:

http://www.andrealeadsom.com/downloads/voteleave.pdf

As you can see, it's pretty simple stuff and extremely persuasive.

She seems extremely strong on Economics, the EU, Trade, Finance and Banking, and looks like she would also be very strong on Management.

However, I would like to see someone of some strength interview her to ascertain what her opinions are about Foreign Policy and Defence.

Its only right that those who was here working before the referendum
are allowed to stay, but once article 50 is invoked then that should be
a cut off point for allowing anymore into the country, because what you'l
get is migrants making a last dash into the UK. Whether the eu regulations
say otherwise or not...

And there is an estimated 70,000 in the country that have no job, they should
be sent back to their own countries and not allowed to remain.

I can't see anything that can be done about it. There were warnings before the referendum that there would be a rush to get here from the EU before the exit date.

I like Frankie Boyle's description.

Andrea Leadsom, who was created by Nazi scientists as a response to Dame Vera Lynn.

And so we have a Conservative leadership election, a sort of X Factor for choosing the antichrist. Already, the cast looks like the episode of Come Dine With Me they show in hell before Top Gear comes on

As they are both Tories Haystack can't you just say may the best one win . Is there any need for this slagging and back stabbing attitude .

Yes day I do remember!

Haystack was Dave's man. But Dave is no more, and Haystack has gravitated to the princess of darkness instead.

Theresa De Teflon:


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/05/prime-minister-theresa-may-insult-democracy/

With the drop in the value of the pound, how many "pensioners" on "sterling" pensions living in the EU will decide to return to the UK.

That should put pressure on the NHS and Welfare Services etc..

Wonder what the knock-on effects are going to be.

I suppose when we have less unskilled immigrants pouring in using the NHS and taking benefits it will be fine.

Do you actually like living Freda I mean you tirelessly come on here spouting negativity , or is your live so miserable you want others to be on the same level .

Vicky,

I am just observing what is happening.

Trying to open the eyes of the blind.

This is Fred on a good day.....

Or the blind leading the blind maybe .

peeps living abroad will find it very difficult to return to uk, purely for financial reasons
(1) they'ld have to sell up if they could even find a buyer for their house
(2) cost of houses and of living in general in uk is very much higher than the usual fave retirement locations

From MaxK's link above at post 4291:

Prime Minister Theresa May — An Insult To Democracy

by JAYNE ADYE5 Jul 20161,247
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The Home Secretary Theresa May has put herself forward as the candidate with experience. She points to her record time in the Home Office as evidence of her competence.

Her supporters claim as a reluctant Remainer she is ideally suited to unify a divided party. She is now also the bookies’ favourite with around 100 Tory MPs supporting her so far, but with many still need to declare their allegiance in the first round. To many, Theresa May might seem the safest bet.

There are however several key reasons why May would be a disaster as Prime Minister, and why her election as Leader would be an insult to the Conservatives, to the country and to the Great British Public.

May’s supporters point to her time in the Home Office as evidence of her competence. However, when we examine her record in closer detail, the prognosis is not great. It is undoubtedly true that Theresa May is the longest-serving Home Secretary since Henry Matthews in 1892. This indeed is regularly trumpeted by her supporters as a great achievement given the position’s legendary capacity for denting reputations.

Her supporters point out, as she has managed to effectively run the Home Office, a department notorious for mucking stuff up, she would therefore be able to run our country in a similarly effective manner. This however is determined on the basic assumption May’s long tenure at the Home Office is due to her effectiveness as a minister, rather than due to her survival skills.

Scratch the surface of May’s Home Office record and things do no look so rosy. If we look at the UK Border Force for example, we see a rather bleak picture. The UK Border Force is in effect the successor to the UK Border Agency, which was closed in 2013 (under Theresa May’s watch) as a result of repeated controversies.

The Border Force has fared little better to its predecessor. As a result of poor resource allocation and adequate planning, gaping holes have been left in the UK’s border security. Maritime patrol aircraft are a vital part of any modern coastal border force, yet the UK’s existing aircraft were scrapped as a result of the 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review! There was an attempt to ratify this in the 2015 Strategic Defence and Security Review, when the Government announced it would order 9 new Maritime Patrol Aircraft. However, as of January of this year these have not yet been purchased, leaving major gaps in Britain’s border protection.

As Home Secretary, May’s ultimate responsibility is to ensure Britain’s borders are secure – and in this regard she has completely failed.

In recent years the Home Secretary has tried to gain support from the ‘Right’ of the Conservative Party by promising to get tough on immigration. Last year in her speech to the Tory Party Conference May highlighted the implications of high migration. She warned of the long-term threat to social cohesion which uncontrolled EU migration would bring. For this she was loudly applauded by the Tory ‘Right’, as someone who is willing to discuss migration.

But when we look at her record we see a Home Secretary who has consistently failed to lower migration. There is a huge difference between what Mrs May promises and what she actually delivers. How can anyone now trust her promise – “Brexit means Brexit.”

During the referendum campaign itself the Home Secretary opened herself up for ridicule by insisting Britain has control of its borders. This was despite the official migration forecasts which predicted 3 million people will be migrating to the UK by 2030. What is even more insulting is the fact this was less than a year after she had warned a packed Conservative conference of the dangers of unrestricted EU migration.

Are we really supposed to believe it was David Cameron’s pitiful renegotiation which changed the Home Secretary’s mind? When the so-called “Eurosceptic” Business Secretary Sajid Javid came out for Remain – citing Cameron’s ‘deal’ – he was rightly attacked for it. The Home Secretary on the other hand managed to minimalize her press exposure and stay out of the spotlight. For all of the recent attention given to the ‘Machiavellian’ manoeuvrings of her leadership rival Michael Gove, it is the Home Secretary who is a veteran of the political dark arts.

Do we really want a Prime Minister who is someone who has deliberately kept a low profile during the most important vote of our lifetimes? Someone who has suggested she was going to back one side or the referendum campaign, and then belatedly support the other! Say what you will about Cameron and Osborne, but at least they stood for what they believed in.

On the battlefield, this would be called cowardice; in Westminster it’s called strategy. How can ministers who put their careers on the line to support Brexit, now accept the leadership of someone who put her career first and foremost? What sort of example is this setting to future generations?

Theresa May’s greatest skill is her ability to duck and dive her way through the perils of the Home Office. Her actual record there is poor. But her supporters seem to assume the mere fact she is still there assumes she must be competent – but the role of Prime Minister is completely different. Can we really assume her skills are directly transferrable to Number 10? The best thing one can say about Theresa May is that she makes the best of a bad job.

Desolate Remainers may now think this is what is needed – but it is not. Brexit is the beginning of a bright new chapter for the United Kingdom, and we need a Prime Minister who embodies this.

The referendum result has made one thing clear. The Great British Public has voted for change not continuity – and to Get Britain Out. For the millions who have voted for Leave, Theresa May’s election as our Prime Minister would be a kick in the teeth and a stab in the back. It would further undermine the Great British Public’s already limited confidence in our political system.

but not voted for "out" with a significant majority
there were many reasons for voting for "out", not all of which will coincide with those of the more rabid on that wing

The article is from a far right US news service that supports Trump.

Ffs someone press the button on Article 50 I'm sick of all this sh&t.

As for do we still have to obey all their stupid laws , no we don't as there is feck all they can do about it.

Let's start shipping the terrorist supporters back for starters.

It is almost as bad as listening endlessly to discussions of what chances Wales have tonight.