Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

mubarak still clinging on ..... not good news at all for anyone

What will it take to make him understand he must go?

Army involvement?

I'm surprised hay crapper isn't accusing Israel of controlling Mubarak.

Why do I think crapper's a nazi...........he wants the only Jewish state in the world liquidated, destroyed. Does he say that about any Muslim, Christian, Hindu, secular state........no, of course not. Look at a map of the Arab Middle East and North Africa.
Look at the sliver of land that is Israel. Its presence outrages him and he wants it wiped off the map.
He's happy to ignore the unfairnesses and injustices endemic in Muslim countries or their crazy borders drawn by imperial or colonial powers regardless of cultural, social, religious or tribal differences.
No, just wipe Israel out. That's what makes parrot a rabid anti-semite.
Personally I would like to see a world in which religion played no part in the lives of states, or peoples for that matter, but what is, is and if the population want a state with sharia law or any religious influence on the state, then that's their choice. No-one should go around demanding that other countries obey their mores or standards. It's no-one else's business. Not the American's, the British or anyone's.

Parrot says, "I have a steerable sat dish. I watched direct uploads from the first gulf war in 1991 before they were edited for UK TV. I used to see the journalists doing set ups for broadcasts while there were incoming missiles and Kate Aide getting her make up put on in the back of an armoured PC."


Ooo...err....... bully for you Greg. You must be sooo clever........sooo special, I'm not sure whether you are just a mindless nerd or actually rather a simpleton. I suppose nazis can be both.
Your own words about your steerable (wow.....do you want normal people to be impressed......or think you have the edge on others by your voyuerism watching a reporter putting her make up on....ooo.... you are sooo special Greg) dish and your copy and paste fanaticism demonstrate how you live in a tiny cocoon and think you know it all by dint of a STEERABLE dish and an internet connection LOL
One day even you might be able to think for yourself rather than parroting third hand tired slogans.....just take the right tablets.
Or maybe you just hypnotised yourself by mistake.
No wonder they crossed you off the list of "professional" hypnotists LOL
Heil Hayes

LOL

I don't want the destruction of Israel per se. I want the whole land shared and called Palestine. At least the changes in Egypt may bring Israel to heel.

I guess the next stage is an indifinite general strike. Even if the army clears the protestors they cannot make the population go to work.

you pre-suppose that the military supports mubarak ..... action to date suggests that this less than certain .... see also comment(s) on CEY thread

As far as the military is concerned it will probably come down to how much bribery is being pushed there way. Interesting to see it unfold all the same.

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the military will have its own agenda, though don't forget that it is made up of people and not automatons ...... that the markets are better than calm is good news and i hear, probably correctly, that talks (with whom?) are currently taking place with the military

Everyone to there own but I rarely find some History anything but fascinating mn.

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Yes indeed it would.

I thought Mubarak had been caught with his trousers down and "thought" that like all good ex-dictators, was trying to export the wealth he and his family had extorted from his country.

His son and part of the family had left the country over 10 days ago.

Anybody know which country?

I hope this confrontation does not end in bloodshed, but it is beginning to become nastier.

There seems to be some organisation of the "reformists" and as expected it has provoked strikes, which could make it difficult for the army to break.

But the belly still rules and the momentum must be kept up.

I had hoped that the strikes would effect the power supplies and media earlier.

Good luck to the those who believe in a transition to a "democratic" state.

If you look at the Balkan states you may have some model, even if those state have a long way to go..

Also some may remember the bloodless Carnation Revolution of Portugal and the replacement with a representative government.

Also think of the relatively "Bloodless revolution" of Spain from a dictatorship after Franco to a "Democracy".


In Portugal and Spain the "new states" used the "state apparatchiks".

Still slowly removing them.

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Mubarak's son Gamal is supposed to have been seen in London about a week ago. He has a large house at 28 wilton Place in Knightsbridge.

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Just my opinion:

It seems to me that for a revolution to occur. It is necessary to have some or all of the following ;-

1) either an autocratic, or plutocratic government,
2) a completely incompetent government, which is detached from the populace.
3) a populace which has ongoing and increasing dissatisfaction and resentment of its rulers.
4) a grossly materially unequal society
5) a society where the rights of the individuals within the society are obviously tilted to a plutocratic self perpetuating hierarchy.
6) a form of communication for the dissenters to orchestrate and symbolise the major dissatisfactions and injustices.
7) numerous initial leaders, who are able to work together for the cause and are prepared to and initially able to put their personal ambitions behind them.


However, the most important things are empty bellies, lack of opportunities and reasonable expectancies to be able to improve on their present situations without revolt.


In the present situation in Egypt, you have all of the above with the added exposure and organising effect of the internet and media etc..
You mention international military intervention in reference to the Balkans. I think the reporting of the recent Balkans changes have generally been superficial. What happened in Yugoslavia was thought by many likely to occur for many years before Tito died. (I was in Yugoslavia before Titos death and in private conversations discussed such possibilities. In addition, I had politically active friends in this country who thought the same. (Tito, himself, foresaw this possibility and did attempt to put into the constitution steps to try and reduce the likely-hood of what has happened.~)
Tinkering, by the West has probably little effect on the inevitable, other than speeding up the actions.
I think the Iraq situation is different, but the revolution is continuing there.

Iran, it was obvious for years that the puppet government of the Shah would fall. The external tinkering of Britain and America came to nothing, other than providing the environment for a more radical change.

But I wonder if our government is setting up similar conditions as mention previously. It doesnt have to be violent, but the back lash from some of its present policies may be more severe than expected.

(I have lived through interesting times.)

Now back to my Veal Paprika.

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Here is a very instructive article about Suleiman. There is plenty of evidence that he has actually been running Egypt for the past few years.

"In Egypt, as Habib recounts in his memoir, My Story: The Tale of a Terrorist Who Wasnt, he was repeatedly subjected to electric shocks, immersed in water up to his nostrils and beaten. His fingers were broken and he was hung from metal hooks. At one point, his interrogator slapped him so hard that his blindfold was dislodged, revealing the identity of his tormentor: Suleiman."

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/201127114827382865.html

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