Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

cynic
Why should an Arab not describe himself as a Palestinian Arab, especially if he lived in what was Palestine and is now temporarily classed as Israel?

for just a few posts this became an intelligent and questioning thread ..... back to Square One i'm afraid

The Arab population of Israel inside the 1967 borders is 1.4 million out of a total of 7.5 million.
They have prospered and multiplied. They have not emigrated to the Arab world in search of freedom or fled from Israeli "persecution".
Very large numbers of Jews fled or were expelled from Arab countries creating an exchange of populations, as so often tragically happens in divided lands, e.g India and Pakistan.
How strange not to hear the parrot et al suggesting that Jews expelled from Arab countries should get "their" properties and land "back".
But not so surprising when Nazis like him present one sided propaganda and "information". Or when they say as parrot did, "why should I be objective?"

Like I've always said, cynic, you can't debate or discuss rationally with the anti-semites of the world like the parrot squawking on the shoulder of freddie few brains.
It is rare for right to be entirely on one side and wrong on the other, and the Israel/Palestine problem is no different. There are good and bad amongst all people.
Those who try to delegitimise and demonise whole peoples or countries and want to wipe them off the map - like the hay parrot, freddie, Ahmedinejad and the rest - are nazis plain and simple. That's what racial and religious and nationalistic hatreds are. No amount of denial or protestations alters that reality.

ITLOTB
Why do you equate dislike of Israel's behaviour with being a Nazi or an anti-semite? They are not related. I am surprised that your grasp of logic is so poor. I dislike the behaviour of Iran but it is does not make me be a hater of Islam.

"The Arab population of Israel inside the 1967 borders is 1.4 million out of a total of 7.5 million."

Don't forget that when the state of Israel was declared the Arabs were in the majority by a long way. Why can a Jew emmigrate to Israel but not an Arab?

Egypt to raise public sector salaries by 15%. I think Ed Balls is moonlighting for Mubarak with this bribe (or is that where Gordon Brown ended up? Geography not his strong point. Libya is next door!)

Or, perhaps, it market forces at work.

Mubarak is corrupt and thinks further corruption will keep him in power.

Or, perhaps, it market forces at work.

Mubarak is corrupt and thinks further corruption will keep him in power.

corruption in this instance? - hardly ...... forlorn hope with not a chance of success? - assuredly

Inept attempt at "corruption"!

To give time to "protect his family's spoils."

I certainly don't think that he or his "friends" were prepared for events.

I would like to know where the present exodus are landing.

if you say so

An interesting item surfaced yesterday.

Obama appointed Frank Wisner to be the US envoy to Egypt. When he visited on Saturday he said that he thought Mubarak should stay as president for the time being. This turned out to be at odds with that Obama was saying and the US distanced itself from his comments.

Now it turns out that Wisner is a lead attorney at the law firm Patton Boggs, which has links with the Mubarak regime and is involved in major Egyptian contracts.

I think Mubarak is stuck in a difficult financial hole at the moment. The stock market in Egypt is closed. It is easy to imagine what would happen if it opened. It would drop through the floor. I am sure that much of his wealth and of his friends is invested in it. Unless there is stability when the market opens then they will probably lose a fortune. It was announced at the weekend that their market would open today, but about an hour later they said that was a mistake. The new opening time is this Sunday 13 Feb.

The New York Times reports that one of their journalists was arrested together with those from other media companies. While they were held and interrogated they witnessed protestors being tortured that had been previously arrested. They could hear screams coming from other cells. Nothing has really changed. The new vice president was head of intelligence and has previously been implicated with arrest and torture over many years.

N.

Posting 4206 in response to02 Feb 2011 10:13

A little late, but I promised reply,

My posting Sometimes because the "ideals" are too "high", "patience" runs out, or greed takes over.
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F - can you put a value on 'ideal'? Isn't it just 'ideal' rather than high or low?

It is that 'ideals' differ from one to another, not that any is 'higher' or 'lower' than any other, as it is a subjective concept - is that not correct?
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At the moment, I am surprised of the momentum, or enthusiasm for change which seems sustained in The Square .

Although the proposed bribe of increase in salaries may tempt some away.

Sad.


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Egypt's new Vice President Omar Suleiman or to be precise General Omar Suleiman has been head of intelligence since 1991 and is widely ragarded having been more violent to dissenters over the years than even Murabak. He is hated across Egypt for the actions of the secret police. Although the 1.3 million police nominally come under the Interior Ministry, in practice they actually just obey Suleiman.

"Documents leaked Monday say Egypt's new vice-president Omar Suleiman was Israel's prime candidate to succeed Hosni Mobarak and he communicated with the Israelis on a daily basis.

The secret US documents dating back to 2008 says David Hacham, a senior advisor from the Israeli war ministry, named Suleiman to assume the presidency in a number of cables.

The document passed by Wikileaks to the London-based Telegraph newspaper said Hacham praised Suleiman and hotlines between the Israeli ministry and Egyptian intelligence were used daily.

Hacham said the Israelis believe Suleiman will at least serve as interim president if Mubarak dies or incapacitated, according to the document.

"We defer to Embassy Cairo for analysis of Egyptian succession scenarios, but there is no question that Israel is most comfortable with the prospect of Omar Suleiman, the document quotes Tel Aviv diplomats as saying."

I have to admit that I think Mubarak and henchmen are playing their hands cleverly.

They dealt themselves their own hands and although I think within a six month period they will be out of power.

The problem is that the leadership being "corrupt" also appointed the administration.

If you cut off the head of the beast the body remains and may putrefy the whole system.

How, with what appears disorganised "opposition" parties and no defined leadership do you organise the state?

It will evolve, but will the process of change resemble the chaos of Iraq, subsequent to the American "abolition" of the "state's administration"?

i think you are too pessimistic as there are not the deep tribal divides that exist in iraq .... however, any transition is bound to be "lumpy", even if it is controlled by USA (how could that be??!!) with the army colluding (one hopes)

i think it is reasonable to expect an acceptably democratic election +/-end year

Cyn,

I would think the majority of the high ranking officers of the military forces were appointed by the "establishment", who then appointed their own "kin".

How do you utilise the system which is in place to keep Law and Order?

If the state's administration is not too corrupt then it is feasible, but when the administrators can only lose, it seems more problematical.

(A bit like hanging your own family.)

Mind!

saddam hussain had no problem with that! .... more seriously, the army has stayed remarkably neutral through all this trouble, so seemingly mubarak does not have the grip that he (and you?) might think ..... also, guess who would be happy to switch colours if the wind was blowing against