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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 11 Feb 2011 17:51 - 4327 of 6906

Switzerland has frozen assets thought to belong to Mubarak.

I am pleased for the people in Egypt. I am also pleased for the Palestinians, the inhabitants of Gaza and the moderate people in israel. We now need an uprising of the Palestinians in the West Bank and throw out Abbas, the PA and Fatah. Hepefully, in the fullness of time, Egypt will come the the aid of Gaza if Israel invades Gaza again. Don't forget that Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Haystack - 11 Feb 2011 17:57 - 4328 of 6906

Wikileaks has revealed a confidential document leaked from the US embassy in Tel Aviv telling that Omar Suleiman, the former Egypt's intelligence chief, promised the Israelis not to let Hamas win the 2006 PA legislative elections, according to the Norwegian Aftenposten newspaper.

According to the paper that published the Wikileaks revelation, Suleiman pledged to exert all efforts to prevent any possible victory for Hamas in the PA legislative elections after polls revealed that it would sweep the elections.

However, the leaked document didnt mention the mechanism that Suleiman would follow to derail the elections, but Gilad was reportedly confident that his Egyptian friend would fulfill his promise.

But Hamas won the elections and Suleiman failed to keep his promise after more than 1000 observers, including 185 Europeans and Americans, witnessed the elections that was described as the most democratic, most honest, and most transparent in the Arab region, another leaked document from the US embassy revealed.

cynic - 11 Feb 2011 21:23 - 4329 of 6906

usual rubbish from the usual suspects here, but all has actually panned out rather as expected ..... that said, the next few months will be interesting and i just hope my prediction of a fundamentalist state within 5 years turns out to be badly inaccurate

fahel - 13 Feb 2011 21:46 - 4330 of 6906

Hillary Clinton speaks out about US links with Taliban
One of the most serious statement about the forming and funding of Salafi Wahhabi .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2CE0fyz4ys

fahel - 13 Feb 2011 21:48 - 4331 of 6906

How Mubarak snuck out of Cairo

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/02/how-mubarak-snuck-out-of-egypt.html

yuff - 14 Feb 2011 10:01 - 4332 of 6906

They warned us. The geniuses at Peace Now warned us. The brilliant
> diplomats warned us. The think tanks warned us. Even the Arab dictators
> warned us. For decades now, they have been warning us that if you want
> "peace in the Middle East ," just fix the Palestinian problem. A recent
> variation on this theme has been: Just get the Jews to stop building
> apartments in East Jerusalem and Efrat. Yes, if all those Jews in the West
> Bank and East Jerusalem would only "freeze" their construction, then,
> finally, Palestinian leaders might come to the table and peace might break
> out.
>
>
>
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> And what would happen if peace would break out between Jews and
> Palestinians? Would all those furious Arabs now demonstrating on streets
> across the Middle East feel any better?
>
>
>
>
> What bloody nonsense.
>
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>
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> Has there ever been a greater abuse of the English language in
> international diplomacy than calling the Israeli-Palestinian conflict the
> " Middle East peace process?" As if there were only two countries in the
> Middle East .
>
>
>
>
> Even if you absolutely believe in the imperative of creating a Palestinian
> state, you can't tell me that the single-minded and global obsession with
> the Israeli-Palestinian conflict at the expense of the enormous ills in
> the rest of the Middle East hasn't been idiotic, if not criminally
> negligent.
>
>
>
>
> While tens of millions of Arabs have been suffering for decades from
> brutal oppression, while gays have been tortured and writers jailed and
> women humiliated and dissidents killed, the world -- yes, the world -- has
> obsessed with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
>
>
>
>
> As if Palestinians -- the same coddled victims on whom the world has spent
> billions and who have rejected one peace offer after another -- were the
> only victims in the Middle East .
>
>
>
>
> As if the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has anything to do with the
> 1,000-year-old bloody conflict between Sunni and Shiite Muslims, or the
> desire of brutal Arab dictators to stay in power, or the desire of
> Islamist radicals to bring back the Caliphate, or the economic despair of
> millions, or simply the absence of free speech or basic human rights
> throughout the Arab world.
>
>
>
>
> While self-righteous Israel bashers have scrutinized every flaw in Israel
> 's democracy -- some waxing hysterical that the Jewish democratic
> experiment in the world's nastiest neighborhood had turned into an
> embarrassment -- they kept their big mouths shut about the oppression of
> millions of Arabs throughout the Middle East .
>
>
>
>
> They cried foul if Israeli Arabs -- who have infinitely more rights and
> freedoms than any Arabs in the Middle East -- had their rights compromised
> in any way. But if a poet were jailed in Jordan or a gay man were tortured
> in Egypt or a woman were stoned in Syria , all we heard was screaming
> silence.
>
>
>
>
> Think of the ridiculous amount of media ink and diplomatic attention that
> has been poured onto the Israel-Palestinian conflict over the years, while
> much of the Arab world was suffering and smoldering, and tell me this is
> not criminal negligence. Do you ever recall seeing a UN resolution or an
> international conference in support of Middle Eastern Arabs not named
> Palestinians?
>
>
>
>
> Of course, now that the Arab volcano has finally erupted, all those
> chronic Israel bashers have suddenly discovered a new cause: Freedom for
> the poor oppressed Arabs of the Middle East !
>
>
>
>
> Imagine if, instead of putting Israel under their critical and
> hypocritical microscope, the world's Israel bashers had taken Israel 's
> imperfect democratic experiment and said to the Arab world: Why don't you
> try to emulate the Jews?
>
>
>
>
> Why don't you give equal rights to your women and gays, just like Israel
> does?
>
>
>
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> Why don't you give your people the same freedom of speech and freedom to
> vote that Israel does? And offer them the economic opportunities they
> would get in Israel ? Why don't you treat your Jewish and Christian
> citizens the same way Israel treats its Arab and Christian citizens?
>
>
>
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> Why don't you study how Israel has struggled to balance religion with
> democracy -- a very difficult but not insurmountable task?
>
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> Why don't you teach your people that Jews are not the sons of dogs but a
> noble, ancient people with a 3,000-year connection to the land of Israel ?
>
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>
>
> Yes, imagine if Israel bashers had spent a fraction of their energy
> fighting the lies of Arab dictators and defending the rights of millions
> of oppressed Arabs. Imagine if President Obama had taken one percent of
> the time he has harped on Jewish settlements to defend the democratic
> rights of Egyptian Arabs -- which he is suddenly doing now that the
> volcano has erupted.
>
>
>
>
> Maybe it's just easier to beat up on a free and open society like Israel .
>
>
>
>
> Well, now that the cesspool of human oppression in the Arab world has been
> opened for all to see, how bad is Israel 's democracy looking? Don't you
> wish the Arab world had a modicum of Israel 's civil society? Would you
> still be worrying about "stability in the Middle East ?"
>
>
>
>
> You can preach to me all you want about the great Jewish tradition of
> self-criticism -- which I believe in -- but right now, when I see poor
> Arab souls being murdered for the simple act of protesting on the street,
> I've never felt more proud of being a supporter of the Jewish state.
>
>



Haystack - 14 Feb 2011 11:39 - 4333 of 6906

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Haystack - 15 Feb 2011 12:46 - 4334 of 6906

"would only "freeze" their construction"

They are building on someone else's land don't forget. The people of Israel have no historical connection to that land. The majority of Jewish immigrants are Ashkenazi Jews who have come from or originate in Eastern Europe. This group has no ethnic connection with Israel as they are descendants of Khazars from around the Black Sea who converted to Judaism in the 8th century and migrated to Eastern Europe in the 12th and 13th centuries. There only connection is religion. The Palestinians who have been expelled from Palestine have far more claim to the land of Israel. Their right of return is denied, but people with no connection are allowed to arrive in large numbers.

Peace won't break out between Israel and the Palestinians as Israel is occupying their land and oppressing them on a daily basis.

The Arabs have been suffering across the region, but that has nothing to do with the Palestinians cause. Hopefully democracy will come to the Middle East.

Netanyahu said recently that Egypt was not ready for democracy. A bit of self interest?

The current treaty between Egypt and Israel has to stay until a new government as the army are respecting the separation of powers. Only the state can make or break treaties and not the army. Lets see how Israel likes Egypt's democracy when they support Gaza and the Palestinians.

Israel's democracy has nothing to do with the cause of the Palestinians. The populations of many Arab countries living under dictators don't live that way by choice. In many ways Israel is far more guilty of their behaviour as they live in a democratic country and the appalling things that Israel does are tolerated by the people. At least in many of the Arab countries it is just the leaders who are behaving badly. The actual populations would be not be a party to their leaders' actions if they had the chance. Comparing Israel's democracy to the dictatorships of many Arab countries you are comparing all the people of Israel with just the rulers of the Arab countries.

Haystack - 16 Feb 2011 00:08 - 4335 of 6906

A senior Egyptian officer said that the Rafah border crossing between Egypt and Gaza will be soon opened on a regular basis.

In The Land of the B - 18 Feb 2011 14:28 - 4336 of 6906

You blind fools, freddie few brains and the hay parrot, don't copy and paste things objectively do you LOL

Hamas refuse to participate in scheduled Palestinian elections



The Palestinian Authority has announced its plan to hold presidential and legislative elections by September of this year.
The proposed elections are widely regarded as a move by President Mahmoud Abbas to stave off political unrest spreading in the Arab world.
Whilst no fixed date has been announced, it is understood that the Palestine Liberation Organization, was already making preparations.
Abbass aide, Yasser Abed Rabbo, called for parties to put aside all of their differences and to focus on conducting the elections by September at the latest.

Hamas bluntly rejected the planned elections, with officials stressing that no elections will be permitted in Gaza and implicated that they will deem any results as illegitimate.

Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum insisted that, Hamas will not participate or recognise or give any cover for this election and we consider this announcement a conspiracy against the Palestinian people.

The refusal to confer legitimacy on the elections is seen by many commentators as evidence that the Islamic organisation fears it could lose its grip on the Gaza Strip in an election as its popularity wanes relative to Fatah and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.
The announcement was warmly welcomed by Alistair Burt MP, Minister for the Middle East, who also took the opportunity to denounce Hamas for its rejection of election and continued repression of ordinary Gazans.

ptholden - 18 Feb 2011 14:43 - 4337 of 6906

"The populations of many Arab countries living under dictators don't live that way by choice. In many ways Israel is far more guilty of their behaviour as they live in a democratic country and the appalling things that Israel does are tolerated by the people. At least in many of the Arab countries it is just the leaders who are behaving badly. The actual populations would be not be a party to their leaders' actions if they had the chance"

Oh, the fabulous irony

Haystack - 18 Feb 2011 15:22 - 4338 of 6906

Why should Hamas recognise the elections? They are not allowed to camaign in the West Bank. They are also regarded as an illegal organisation in the West Bank. This is because Fatah and the PA are collaborating with Israel and the US to suppress the Palestinians there.

Abbas's term of office finished several years ago as did the PA's. There is no legal basis for Fatah to call elections without Hamas involved. Any Palestinian elections should include all Palestinians including refugees currently living in other countries such as Jordan.

In The Land of the B - 18 Feb 2011 16:00 - 4339 of 6906

The Blind Parrot LOL

In The Land of the B - 18 Feb 2011 16:02 - 4340 of 6906

Does Hamas and other terrorist organisations actually pay the parrot to come out with all his drivel ?
Or did he get crossed off the hypotherapists' register for self-hypnosis LOL

cynic - 18 Feb 2011 16:06 - 4341 of 6906

PTH's post says it all

In The Land of the B - 18 Feb 2011 16:09 - 4342 of 6906

Yes, but it's too subtle for the parrot. Things have to be spelled out for him as he can only see extremes and very simple concepts.
Just like a parrot, actually.

In The Land of the B - 18 Feb 2011 16:51 - 4343 of 6906

OMG, the parrot is beyond belief. He supports an organisation which is so ANTI-DEMOCRATIC it says about a general election :

Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum insisted that, Hamas will not participate or recognise or give any cover for this election and we consider this announcement a conspiracy against the Palestinian people.

Parrot, what can be said about you that isn't rude or ridicules you ? LOL

In The Land of the B - 18 Feb 2011 17:06 - 4344 of 6906

And you wonder why I call you an extremist, a Nazi LOL

Haystack - 18 Feb 2011 18:08 - 4345 of 6906

The election is a conspiracy against the Palestinians. It has no legal basis. The election that voted in Hamas in Gaza was completely democratic and wdidely regarded as a model of democracy.

This is what ex President Carter said about it.

"Former US president Jimmy Carter has called the rejection by the West (US-EU) of Hamas's election victory in 2006 a criminal act.

In a speech before Ireland's eighth annual Forum on human rights Tuesday, the 83-year-old former President said the US and Israel, with European Union acquiescence, sought to subvert the outcome of the Palestinian elections by shunning Hamas and helping Abbas to keep the reins of political and military power.

"That action was criminal," said Carter during a news conference.

Abbas who observed the elections said they were quite fair and democratic.

Carter said Hamas won a fair and democratic mandate that should have entitled it to lead the Palestinian government, adding that the movement had proven itself to be far more organized in its political and military showdown with the Fateh movement of Palestinian Authority Chairman Muhammed Abbas."

Haystack - 18 Feb 2011 18:13 - 4346 of 6906

Dr. Ayman Nur, a leader of Egypts secular opposition declared Sunday that the countrys 30-year peace treaty with Israel was over, despite assurances by the new military rulers that it would honor the accord in the wake of President Hosni Mubaraks designation.

The Camp David accord is over, Dr. Ayman Nur, leader of the Tomorrow Party who is planning to seek candidacy in the Egyptian presidential elections, told Egyptian radio. His remarks were carried by Israels Channel 2.

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