Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

The Egyptian economy and power system is even worse than that. The military leaders usually end up in government at some stage. Most large companies are state owned; banks, energy companies etc. Military leaders that don't go into government, join the large companies at the top as do members of the government when they get fed up with governing. This system supports corruption as it means that the senior military have no incentive to change anything because they get their cash and huge pensions when they join the government owned companies.

When I started this thread I posed the question, "what would be the price of oil in 4weeks time?".

At that time it was about $40 /barrel.

Now it is over $!00 a barrel!



Thanks G and MM for answering my questions.

Nevertheless it continues for me very interesting thread.

Basically the military have been in control since Faroukh was overthrown as Egypt's leaders have always come from them. There is obviously an underlying support for the military despite that as the population regard patriotism and the army as being inextricably linked. Of course populations identify with the military more if there is conscription. The difference with Turkey is historical as Egypt hasn't experienced a Kemal Ataturk. The emergence of such a figure would be hugely beneficial to a society like Egypt and would build a secular state guaranteed by the military. That might prove to be an evolutionary phase in such countries. Certainly in Turkey there appears to be a growing democratic civil society which is gradually trying to shift real power from the military to a stable civilian government which controls the military rather than the reverse. I can't say I personally like the Erdogan administration, but ultimately true democracies rarely wage war on their neighbours and that is to everyone's benefit.
I suspect the realpolitik in Egypt is that the Muslim Brotherhood realise they will not be allowed to seize power as the army will prevent the Islamification of society they would want. Of course it won't stop them trying so interesting times lie ahead - and I don't mean that in the Chinese sense of the phrase.

Mubarak,

Will he go?
Has he gone?
Where has he gone?
Who replaces him?

Will other dominoes fall?

It looks like he has left Cairo for his holiday home. He has apparently left with the head of the army. State TV says he will give speech this evening.

I suspect he will pass authority to the army supreme council and not to the VP. This could then lead to the dissolution of parliament and the end of the present government. The army would then act as caretakers until elections. The final nail looks to be the increasing demo sizes and a possible indefinite general strike.

I saw a story on one of the Arab channels that the army prevented Mubarak from handing power to his Vice President. The army says it has acted to preserve Egyptian security. They have summoned the army security council and have said it will remain in permanent session for the time being. That would suggest at least a temporary army government.

I have seen more reports on Arab channels that Murabak has already taped an announcement to be shown after he leaves the country by helicopter. They are saying that the head of the army has gone with him to make sure he leaves the country. where will he go - Saudi? Maybe he should go to Israel as they seem to be the only country that wanted him to stay.

i should imagine saudi is favourite, though with his sybaritic style, just perhaps AD or even dubai

Your hatred of Israel knows no bounds, hay crapper.
So is this a new adventure for you, watching Arab TV no doubt looking for anti-Israel material?
Try Press TV, you'd find it orgasmic.
Why don't you copy and paste videos here?
Or haven't you got beyond Control + C, Control + V ?
You sad, sad person.
You really should go and give your life for your anti-semitic beliefs, instead of spending your life spouting propaganda.
I believe self-immolation is the latest fashion.
You should try it.
You'd give so many people so much pleasure.

I have watched Arab TV for years. I have a steerable sat dish. I watched direct uploads from the first gulf war in 1991 before they were edited for UK TV. I used to see the journalists doing set ups for broadcasts while there were incoming missiles and Kate Aide getting her make up put on in the back of an armoured PC.

Once again I have no anti-semitic beliefs. Why would I? You seem to be the parrot. All you can repeat is "Nazi" or "Anti-semitic" with no evidence. I am anti Israel (actually VERY anti Israel), but not anti Jewish.

Press TV is mostly a lot of nonsense. Aljazeera is a good service though. They have many ex BBC and Sky staff.

surely an oxymoron ..... Press TV is mostly a lot of nonsense. Aljazeera is a good service ..... ????????????????

Why an oxymoron? Do you watch either of them. Press TV is a mouthpiece for Iran. Aljazeera is a very good channel.

You can watch Aljazeera here

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

sorry; thought you meant general tv coverage ..... never heard of Press TV and yes, i too listen to aljazeera from time to time especially when in m/e

Press TV is on channel 515 on SKY sat decoders just after Al Jazeera. It is not quite as bad as you might think. Apparantly 100 million people watch the Al Jazeera English broadcast version. You can watch it in the US and Canada apart from Europe and the ME.

http://www.presstv.ir/

Thanks for the link H, the crowd won't like that.

mubarak still clinging on ..... not good news at all for anyone

What will it take to make him understand he must go?

Army involvement?

I'm surprised hay crapper isn't accusing Israel of controlling Mubarak.

Why do I think crapper's a nazi...........he wants the only Jewish state in the world liquidated, destroyed. Does he say that about any Muslim, Christian, Hindu, secular state........no, of course not. Look at a map of the Arab Middle East and North Africa.
Look at the sliver of land that is Israel. Its presence outrages him and he wants it wiped off the map.
He's happy to ignore the unfairnesses and injustices endemic in Muslim countries or their crazy borders drawn by imperial or colonial powers regardless of cultural, social, religious or tribal differences.
No, just wipe Israel out. That's what makes parrot a rabid anti-semite.
Personally I would like to see a world in which religion played no part in the lives of states, or peoples for that matter, but what is, is and if the population want a state with sharia law or any religious influence on the state, then that's their choice. No-one should go around demanding that other countries obey their mores or standards. It's no-one else's business. Not the American's, the British or anyone's.

Parrot says, "I have a steerable sat dish. I watched direct uploads from the first gulf war in 1991 before they were edited for UK TV. I used to see the journalists doing set ups for broadcasts while there were incoming missiles and Kate Aide getting her make up put on in the back of an armoured PC."


Ooo...err....... bully for you Greg. You must be sooo clever........sooo special, I'm not sure whether you are just a mindless nerd or actually rather a simpleton. I suppose nazis can be both.
Your own words about your steerable (wow.....do you want normal people to be impressed......or think you have the edge on others by your voyuerism watching a reporter putting her make up on....ooo.... you are sooo special Greg) dish and your copy and paste fanaticism demonstrate how you live in a tiny cocoon and think you know it all by dint of a STEERABLE dish and an internet connection LOL
One day even you might be able to think for yourself rather than parroting third hand tired slogans.....just take the right tablets.
Or maybe you just hypnotised yourself by mistake.
No wonder they crossed you off the list of "professional" hypnotists LOL
Heil Hayes

LOL

I don't want the destruction of Israel per se. I want the whole land shared and called Palestine. At least the changes in Egypt may bring Israel to heel.

I guess the next stage is an indifinite general strike. Even if the army clears the protestors they cannot make the population go to work.