Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

jimmy stop responding to him .

Yes your right i had the Moron squelched before .

Dumbo is projecting himself.

Reminds me of the conscripts and fodder of the 1930s.

Max,

Was this part of the article about the man Dumbo and Vicky would wish to lead the UK into the wilderness?

He seems a "chancer" or a charmer?


"What does it mean to love your country? What does it mean to defend its sovereignty? For some of the leaders of the Brexit campaign, it means reducing the United Kingdom to a franchise of corporate capital, governed from head offices overseas. They will take us out of Europe to deliver us into the arms of other powers.


British-EU relations likely to be resolved by 2020, says Liam Fox
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No one embodies this contradiction as much as the man now charged with determining the scope of our sovereignty: the new international trade secretary, Liam Fox. He explained his enthusiasm for leaving Europe thus: “We’ll be able to make our own laws unhindered by anyone else, and our democratic parliament will not be overruled by a European court.” But of all the people Theresa May could have appointed to this post, he seems to me the most likely to ensure that our parliament and laws are overruled by foreign bodies.

Fox looks to me like a corporate sleeper cell implanted in government. In 2011, he resigned his post as defence secretary in disgrace after his extracurricular interests were exposed. He had set up an organisation called Atlantic Bridge, financed in large part by a hedge fund owner. It formed a partnership with a corporate lobbying group called the American Legislative Exchange Council, which is funded by tobacco, pharmaceutical and oil companies. Before it was struck off by the Charity Commission, it began assembling a transatlantic conclave of people who wished to see public services privatised and corporations released from regulation.

He allowed a lobbyist to attend his official meetings, without government clearance. He made misleading statements about these meetings, which were later disproved. It seems extraordinary to me that a man with such a past could have been brought back into government, let alone given such a crucial and sensitive role. Most newspapers have brushed his inconvenient history under the political carpet. He is, after all, their man.

It's extraordinary that a man with his past has been brought back into government – let alone given such a crucial role
At every turn he promotes the millionaires’ agenda while urging that the social contract, which makes this country more or less habitable, be ripped apart. He wants “a systematic dismantling of universal benefits ... turning them into tax cuts”. He has argued for a three- to five-year holiday from capital gains tax. He wants to “freeze public spending for at least three years and probably more”, and to deregulate the labour market, making workers easier to fire. He suggests that access to housing benefit should be limited for people under 25.

This is the man who has been put in charge of making new trade agreements. What he wants to do with them is pretty clear. “We need to see a reinvigoration of our transatlantic relationship,” he argues. “We have a low-regulation and low-taxation environment, which is only likely to improve outside the EU.” Improve, in this context, means becoming yet more hostile to human welfare, social mobility and the defence of the living world.

One of the legitimate complaints against the EU is its determination to drag us into treaties that claim to be about trade but are really about releasing multinational corporations from democratic control. Three of the agreements it is trying to impose – the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) and the Trade in Services Agreement (TiSA) – make a mockery of parliamentary sovereignty.

They threaten to reduce to the lowest common denominator the laws protecting us from predatory finance, the exploitation of workers, food adulteration, climate change and environmental destruction. They threaten to force the privatisation of public services. They would allow corporations to sue governments for compensation in offshore tribunals that, unlike the European court Fox professes to hate, are unaccountable, opaque and wildly imbalanced. The EU has no mandate to strike such agreements: a consultation on the offshore tribunals TTIP proposes attracted 150,000 responses, 97% of which were negative."

Think TTIP is a threat to democracy? There’s another trade deal that’s already signed
Nick Dearden
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Leaving Europe should enable us to leave behind biased, destructive treaties of this kind; we will, after all, have to renegotiate most of our trade agreements. But by putting the Fox in charge of the chicken coop, May seems determined to replace them with something even worse.

I dont see it as a leap into the wilderness Fred, more an opportunity.

As for TTIP or CETA, both can go in the bin as far as I'm concerned.

Don't like it? Trade somewhere else!

haven't read fred's guff above, but both CETA and TTIP deals look bad news as i highlighted a few days ago (post 4698)

Manuel.

If the words are too long for you, get you mum to read it and then explain it to you.


PS.

I didn't write the article.

On the very rare occasion that Freda has a bath, he sings loudly ;-

I wear a g string and suspenders, occasionally crutchless knickers too!

They call me funny fella, that's right! They call me funny fella!!

Just ignore the obnoxious gobshite!

Chris

where you just passing through the corridor at the time?

LOL

No mentor I'm on holiday, just looking in occasionally, nothing seems to change. Fred talks shite the majority of the time, just seems to excel when his beloved Labour Party is imploding all around him but he is too thick to notice through choice :0)

There's a piece in the Telegraph apparently about the IMF , imf admits disastrous love affair with euro , apologies .

I have come across a word to describe people who voted to Remain and still complain about losing: 'Remoaners'

The media is as bad last week was a Brexit how much is your house worth , program . This is after the other Brexit make as much fuss as you can programs . I don't watch them by the way .

The snake oil salesman(cameron) seems to have excelled himself in his
'honours' list of 'remain' cronies.

If Mays got any sense of justice and morals she will block these corrupt 'honours'.

I'd ban it altogether for people who get paid to do their job and then get these honours .

Yes agree VICTIM, its an outrageous corrupt system..

It devalues the award for those that actually merit it. I have no problem with Sir Ian Botham for the charitable work he did after beating the Aussies, but I almost fell off my chair when I heard someone mention Sir Vince Cable. A man that was thrown out by his constituency in 2015 then rewarded for having been a lib dem. These are cheap throwaway awards that cost the giver nothing for having done nothing except what one is paid to do. Time for change!

Farage said he's rewarding failure but i think he's rewarding lies and scare stories that resulted in failure . It got peoples backs up . Must have been the most cringeworthy campaign in history .

the honours list was badly devalued a great many years ago, but certainly some of the present recipients are just ridiculous

The list looks pretty normal compared to the past. Even Harold Wilson gave an honour to the maker of his Gannex raincoat. Resignation honours are always a personal thing for PMs.