Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Brown did have his own list. Because it was a GE he has a dissolution list.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Dissolution_Honours

Blair did not have one because he was already involved in the 'cash for honours' scandal at the time where honours were being given to people who had lent money to Labour.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_for_Honours

surely peerages and the like have been handed out to buddies for at least 200 years

"surely peerages and the like have been handed out to buddies for at least 200 years"


Does that make the grubby action justifiable?

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Haze and standards (or morality),

"Blair did not have one because he was already involved in the 'cash for honours' scandal at the time where honours were being given to people who had lent money to Labour."


If done for money then it appears to me corrupt, but I find many of Dodgy Dave's actions questionable and see the list as showing the Puppets strings again were being pulled by the puppeteers living in strange lands.

Is party headquarter's (CCO) lobbying for a gong for you?

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I had better mind my Ps&Qs or I will never get my piece of gold.

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Of course. The list is a personal list of the PM's own choosing for whatever reason they might choose. It is similar to the Queen's personal honours for people who worked for her and people who gave assisted her. She hands out the Royal Victorian Order of varying degrees to people who have done a personal service for her. My father received it in 1954 after travelling with her for six months on a Commonwealth Tour.

Cameron's list will be scrutinised by an oversight committee as are all PM's honours.

So Haystack why do you think Will Straw got an 'honour'?

Haze,

It sounds again like "Lloyd George Knew My Father, My Father knew Lloyd George" or should that be mother?

Will Straw is getting one because of his involvement in the Remain campaign. He was the executive director of Britain Stronger In Europe. Others in the campaign are on the list.

Scrutinise - LOL

Corrupt and devalued honours imo

Call me Dave's wife's hairdresser - come on now

They are not supposed to be all political honours. They are in the gift of the PM and several will be for personal reasons

What have these honourable people got on Cameron?

Is he trying to buy their silence?

A bit like the contracts down the pan.

Perhaps, holiday homes in China and France come to mind.

Just asking.

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Also, wondering down at party headquarters what "honours" stands for.

Can't hear the whispers from here.

Have to ask Haze.

Unelected peers start House of Lords plot to BLOCK Brexit and force a second referendum

Cross-party group of peers join forces to block UK leaving the EU
Tory Baroness Wheatcroft: 'Imperative we don't press button on Article 50'
She said: 'I think the Lords might actually delay things. I think there's a majority in the Lords for remaining'

A cross-party group of unelected peers in the House of Lords is plotting to block Brexit, it was revealed today.

Tory Baroness Wheatcroft said she felt it was 'imperative that we don't press the button on Article 50' - despite the result of the UK referendum in June.

She says that there are dozens of peers who want to stop, delay or 'revisit' the result.

Speaking to The Times, the former editor in chief of the Wall Street Journal Europe, said that she hoped delays in the Lords of any potential Brexit legislation would lead to a second referendum.

A legal challenge on whether the Government can trigger Article 50 without the prior authorisation of Parliament is set to be heard in the High Court in the autumn.

Baroness Wheatcroft said that she did not want the Lords to stand in the way of Brexit at the moment, but said: 'However, if it comes to a Bill, I think the Lords might actually delay things. I think there's a majority in the Lords for remaining.'

Asked whether she would support peers delaying Brexit legislation she said: 'Yes I would. And I would hope, while we delayed things, that there would be sufficient movement in the EU to justify putting it to the electorate, either through a general election or a second referendum.'

Tory grandee and arch Europhile Lord Heseltine has said he was appalled by the result of the referendum with voters 'sold a fool's promise'.

He also suggested there will need to be a general election in order for Parliament to sign off on Brexit. 'Every indication is that there is a 350 majority in the House of Commons in favour of remaining in Europe,' he said. 'The only realistic prospect of persuading the House of Commons to pass amending legislation would be after a general election or another referendum'.

Labour MP David Lammy called on Parliament to 'stop this madness' and to vote against the decision to leave the EU. In a statement on his Twitter feed, the former minister said: 'Wake up. We do not have to do this.'

Tim Farron, the Liberal Democrat leader, said his party would not 'roll over and give up' over the issue, pledging to fight the next general election on a manifesto promise to take Britain back into the EU.

Jeremy Corbyn opened the door to Labour backing a second referendum on EU membership last week as he prepared to launch his campaign to cling on as party leader.

Aides said that although Mr Corbyn 'respects' the outcome of the referendum, he believes the final exit deal will require 'some form of democratic accountability'.

The Labour leader is a lifelong Eurosceptic who called for Brexit to be triggered immediately the day after last month's historic vote to leave.

His half-hearted leadership of the Labour campaign to keep Britain in the EU enraged pro-remain MPs and helped trigger the attempted coup against his leadership.

Rival Owen Smith has already called for a second referendum on the final Brexit deal. At the weekend, he said: 'I don't think we should accept that we're on a definite path out.'

With most Labour members backing EU membership, Mr Corbyn, who launches his leadership campaign against Mr Smith today, now appears to be shifting towards backing a second vote.

That's depressing .

It's not VIC , this has been going on since the vote , we won ,if anything like that happened there would be riots in Britain .
The problem is over the last 20 years the public have been ignored , the people spoke this time and for every one of those arrogant idiots above there are others waiting to carry this through .

I have to wonder why she wants to take so long to initiate article 50 , is it to allow all these remoaners to hit back . Is she genuine .

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Sanity is beginning to return.

Theresa was Cameron plan B.

;-)

The revisionists (€U stooges) would love a re-run, on the basis that they have done it before and wangled a result.

I suspect that would not be the case this time, as the outrage at the blatant manipulation would be too much to stomach even for the €uro enthusiasts.

We need to wait to activate article 50 so that any new trade deals are in place. The betting is the second half of next year

There is a lot of work to do before article 50 can be invoked with confidence Vicky. We are so far embedded in the EU that it will take years to disentangle all the laws and regulations. There are of the order of 170,000 bureaucrats working in one form or another for the EU and all have to justify their positions by making our lives difficult or perhaps in some cases not. The EU regulations currently affect almost everything we do, so there has to be a careful assessment of how we proceed before the starting gun is fired. Hopefully David Davis will not need 170,000 in his new Brexit department but he will need a sizeable team.

What gets me is that as seen above who can come along and let's say threaten to nullify or ask for a second ref , shouldn't these questions be addressed now as it seems there's organising going on to exit the EU . Am I way off here or can it be reversed .

i think this call for a 2nd referendum is no more than a silly summer story
the lords may decide they don't like the result, but unless something strange has suddenly occurred, there is a statutory limit as to what they can actually do