Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

We need to wait to activate article 50 so that any new trade deals are in place. The betting is the second half of next year

There is a lot of work to do before article 50 can be invoked with confidence Vicky. We are so far embedded in the EU that it will take years to disentangle all the laws and regulations. There are of the order of 170,000 bureaucrats working in one form or another for the EU and all have to justify their positions by making our lives difficult or perhaps in some cases not. The EU regulations currently affect almost everything we do, so there has to be a careful assessment of how we proceed before the starting gun is fired. Hopefully David Davis will not need 170,000 in his new Brexit department but he will need a sizeable team.

What gets me is that as seen above who can come along and let's say threaten to nullify or ask for a second ref , shouldn't these questions be addressed now as it seems there's organising going on to exit the EU . Am I way off here or can it be reversed .

i think this call for a 2nd referendum is no more than a silly summer story
the lords may decide they don't like the result, but unless something strange has suddenly occurred, there is a statutory limit as to what they can actually do

One thing we expect from those elevated to the Lords is wisdom. The Wheatcroft woman and others of her ilk have shown that they may be clever but they are not wise. It is time for a real reform of the Lords. I would prefer an elected 2nd tier on the lines of the US Senate, with term limits of 5 years, to conform with the GE cycle. 180 representatives should be enough to cover all the counties of the UK and Crown dependencies. The current plus 800 for only about 400 seats is laughable. Only a politician could make it up.

The problem I see with elected only 2nd chamber is who in their right mind would want or be prepared to spend the time and work getting "elected" to it.

It seems sensible to have a review body of "legislation" (second chance saloon) and there are many "sensible", "knowledgeable", "dedicated" and able peers who attend the debates and modify "bills" etc..

I think the problem is abuses due to some hereditary and politically elected members.

How would you form a non-political body to nominate individuals and give the individuals the authority to "modify" government and for what period they would be in their roles?

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A bit like exiting the EU.

Am i right in stating that those 'Lords' that make an appearance receive £300 a go?

Can be more.

As I said before referendum:-

http://news.sky.com/story/turkeys-eu-membership-talks-a-fiction-10522713

They might be fiction and the EU might not have any intention of letting
Turkey join, but they have being going through the motions with 'phoney'
talks with Turkey, who will not be amused that they have been duped.

And if the visa free travel through europe goes belly up then Turkey will
renaged on the immigration deal.

I'm not yet convinced about Philip Hammond. Another grey man. He has too many private business interests for my liking. Lets see if he gives the necessary time and talent to what is possibly the most challenging cabinet position, bar that of the PM.

Haven't the Brexiters done a good job?

So there's NO justification now to take in all these migrants you seem to treasure , ( I say treasure but are they just a reason for you to use day in day out for a moan ) I suspect maybe yes .

We should shut the door right now and introduce a new system . I am all for stopping the East European inflow .
Also we must quickly get a grip on the illegals who are here and continue to pour in.

watched quite an interesting prog last evening on late 70s and early 80s
inter alia, the analysis of labour's disastrous lurch to the left, engineered by militant tendency and the like, was almost a mirror of today
perhaps as well that corbyn does not have a quarter of the charisma (or intelligence?) of wedgwood benn

Oh dear...


https://twitter.com/britainelects?lang=en-gb

It'll be hard enough to limit legal migrants - but what about the million-plus ILLEGAL ones?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3722733/It-ll-hard-limit-legal-migrants-million-plus-ILLEGAL-ones.html

Labour has its own honours problems.

Shami Chakrabarti did a whitewash job in her 'independent' report on Labour's anti-Semitism. Corbyn responded with a nomination to the Lords. Corbynistas were claiming that suggestions that Shami was being given a peerage were smears against Labour. That was until last night when it was confirmed. Now they say she deserved it anyway.

Sums up tory foresight.