Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

"The coalition just extended it to council tenants."

ohhhh dear the Nasty Party and its supporters.

well kick out all those immigrants and their extended families and we'll have lots of cheaper housing :-)

cynic
Stop baiting the loonies. They won't sleep tonight.

the young family on benefits to whom i rent a house certainly don't get spoiled
i think they get £700 pm + something like 75% of council tax
the girl works (part-time i think) and the chap is desperately trying to get a job of some kind
unfortunately, he completely screwed up at school and is thus semi illiterate and innumerate

however, to give the system its due, they insisted that he goes to classes daily to bring him up to a reasonable level and i also think a basic computing course

Very rare around these parts that immigrants live in council properties.

Usually have their own property or are renting from an immigrant landlord. Loads of Pakistani Landlords in West Yorkshire.

the bradford effect!

"however, to give the system its due, they insisted that he goes to classes daily to bring him up to a reasonable level and i also think a basic computing course".....ends

hes parked on Benefits then and the training company is making a fortune out of the tax payer.

Yep summat like that Cyners.

Shitty day on the markets, suppose I cant complain got out of opay early on at a much reduced profit and got a large slug of AGK which is outperforming so cant really complain.

Just hope christmas rally hasnt come and gone.

no idea who operates the training system (nearly said class system!), but i think it's primarily aimed at non-english-speaking immigrants

mind you, it's terrifying how many people of all ages really cannot read and write .... and as for basic arithemetic!

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anyway, this young chap is hoping to hear from G4S that he's got a job as a meter reader (better than nowt)
interestingly, he has to be self-employed
i don't think i need comment further on that aspect do i!

Cyners are your tenants immigrants then?

no .... very english
could even be described as good aryan stock :-)

Posts crossed cyners, a self employed meter reader .......Bloody Hell I thought I had heard it all but obviously not LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL , fair tickled me that.

God Im getting out of touch.

now ask yourself why G4S "employ" on that system
he will (if he gets the job) get work from them as a sub-contractor

Trouble with these training courses apprenticeships etc etc, they havent changed since once I was out of work for 3 months about 15 years ago.

To get benefits you had to go no ifs and buts, had to read all the newspapers first thing for jobs advertised, taught how to use a computer putting together your CV for about 6 weeks to a month, and then watch a few videos on interview techniques, get a visit from a health and safety expert for a half day and then are given a telephone directory and told to ring companys asking if they have vacancies.

What a bore it was and the trainers were useless, just in it for the monthly cheque from the government.

I gather from what ive heard it hasnt changed at all.

from what i gather, his reading and writing skills have improved quite a lot, but from an embarrassingly low start point

and even if the system hasn't changed, nor have the basic skills required

Cyners yep cheaper oncosts. No holiday pay no redundancy pay no overtime etc etc etc.

The whole jobs, work, pay, employment arena has changed and is unlikely to ever be as it was. More and more jobs have been deskilled due to technology. Retail is in a steady decline and once it has bottomed out is unlikely to ever improve. Every time we have a recession, companies use the opportunity to unload staff, cut costs and make their businesses more streamlined.

Even if we have good economic times again, full employment will only be due to low pay, zero hours and self employed status jobs. It is just a fact of life for the future. There will be two classes of work. There will be the highly skilled work and the jobs that anyone could do. That is the trend, like it or not. The bulk of people will be paid poorly. There is going to be a permanent underclass of people.

I remember in the 1960s, commentators would say that we had a golden future with a lot of work being done by machines and computers. We would all have massive amounts of leisure time to do all the things we wanted and people would only have to work a few hours a week.

You would have to be stupid, to believe that. I used to wonder how all this was to be paid for. The answer is that it didn't happen and won't.

go to the top of the class!
i guess this is common across many industries, so it adds significantly to your class of forced self-employed, but not for the reasons you and and fred like to tout!

I dont go for what Hays says, theirs still plenty of skilled jobs in this country and the opportunity for the government to invest in them.

The real reason we have low pay is that confidence as been at rock bottom , banks have not lent money, confidence amongst job holders is very low as they know if they are laid off they wont find another job (and someone will walk straight into there position) and therefore darent ask for a pay rise etc etc. Its basicaly FEAR ruling the jobs market at the moment not growth or good employers.