irlee57
- 13 Aug 2007 09:03
any comments, thoughts, on this stock.
halifax
- 17 Oct 2007 15:13
- 746 of 1029
ZERO!
cynic
- 17 Oct 2007 15:15
- 747 of 1029
quite possibly, which is why i am happy to be short
hlyeo98
- 18 Oct 2007 11:29
- 748 of 1029
205p now...looking quite dormant for the past couple of days...probably hibernating for the winter.
cynic
- 19 Oct 2007 12:52
- 749 of 1029
admittedly from a biased position, i am truly amazed that sp remains as firm as it does, especially since today's revelation that NRK had to borrow yet a further 3bn from BoE ....... bet you couldn't borrow 3k that easily from your own bank!
Big Al
- 19 Oct 2007 14:06
- 750 of 1029
Obviously the market still beleives there's value here or it wouldn't be holding up.
The market is rarely wrong my friends. ;-))
cynic
- 19 Oct 2007 14:33
- 751 of 1029
that is the only worry, though BFC stood firm for a long time at around 12/14 before the plug was finally pulled ...... anyway, shall continue to run short protected with guaranteed stops
Big Al
- 19 Oct 2007 14:43
- 752 of 1029
BFC was a slightly different prospect to NRK, cynic.
You are right to place guaranteed stops, however.
frodo
- 19 Oct 2007 15:09
- 753 of 1029
I was led to believe the Market was never wrong. Can a seroius comparison between NRK and BFC be made? Is it true that the more money you have in something the less likely you are to accept the loss despite bad news and does this thinking happen to the really big investors? Would NRK borrow these sums of money today anyway from other banks which we wouldent get to hear about?
halifax
- 19 Oct 2007 15:29
- 754 of 1029
Resignation of Chairman Ridley saves him further embarassment, perhaps we will hear something about NRK's future next week.
partridge
- 19 Oct 2007 15:32
- 755 of 1029
Both companies ran out of cash, albeit for very different reasons and on very different scales. Whether NRKs net assets prove more attractive to potential bidders than in the case of BFC is yet to be determined.
cynic
- 19 Oct 2007 15:57
- 756 of 1029
only point i was making was that while BFC was at 12/14 Barclays (investment arm?) was buying like crazy ...... Barclays was also BFC's bank, so you would have thought there would have to have been some sort of x-pollenation.
anyway, market seems slowly to be agreeing about NRK, or at least sp is slowly slipping south
Big Al
- 19 Oct 2007 16:06
- 757 of 1029
Guys - BFC was a two-bit nothing AIM-listed stock with its head in cloud cuckoo land. NRK ain't. To compare the two is way off beam IMO.
cynic
- 19 Oct 2007 16:11
- 758 of 1029
only compared for the reason above - i.e. the markets dont's ALWAYS get it right, and certainly not the fund managers!
partridge
- 19 Oct 2007 16:42
- 759 of 1029
You have a point Big Al (and I generally rank you alongside AlanH as one demonstrating lots of common sense) but NRK management was also in cloud cuckoo land if it thought you could borrow short to lend long indefinitely. I posted elsewhere months ago about the huge numbers in bank balance sheets for derivative contracts and other exotic sounding assets and liabilities, so personally do not think we have heard the last of the credit crunch problems. This will IMO not encourage potential buyers of NRK to be generous.
skinny
- 19 Oct 2007 16:42
- 760 of 1029
Big Al - common sense - in the same sentence :-)
Big Al
- 19 Oct 2007 16:49
- 761 of 1029
partridge - I agree entirely re the credit crunch. NRK are probably no different than the dumb folk in this country who have borrowed 4 or 5+ times their earnings to buy a property.
I'm not sure how much in cloud cuckoo land they were in comparison to all the other banks, however. They may have been the worst exposed so far, but I'm not sure the other banks now know how much liability they themselves have.
I guess my point is that NRK is not alone and the powers that be will not let the enitre banking system collapse. Indeed, they will not necessarily let NRK go to the wall simply to make an example of them. As we've seen this last month or so, the knock-on effect to confidence would probably be massive. It won't happen IMO.
Anyone who thinks NRK is worth nil , like BFC, is simply pissing in the wind IMO.
Big Al
- 19 Oct 2007 16:49
- 762 of 1029
skinny - yep, not often that happens.
However, it has been known. ;-))))))))
hewittalan6
- 19 Oct 2007 16:50
- 763 of 1029
Partridge, you little tinker.
You owe Big Al an apology, methinks.
Big Al. I can recommend an extremely good lawyer for that slur on your character.
;-)
Alan
cynic
- 19 Oct 2007 17:00
- 764 of 1029
NRK undoubtedly has a value, as does/did Eurotunnel ...... however, in my very arrogant opinion(!!), given the finacial pickle NRK is now in linked to what will assuredly be (at best) massive dilution of the equity, i cannot see the shareholders recovering more than say 50/100p and maybe not even that ...... interestingly, and unless i am much mistaken, a number of institutions have now thought better and sold off their holdings, so perhaps i'm not so dumb after all
Big Al
- 19 Oct 2007 17:42
- 765 of 1029
No-one said you are dumb, cynic. Far from it.