Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I sent my leaflet back to the Tory party freepost ,i hope many others will do so maybe Cameron will get the message .

If Weeing Jimmy has his way.

France warns UK post-Brexit trade deal would mean paying to EU budget


France's economy minister, Emmanuel Macron, told those advocating an exit of Britain from the European Union they were wrong if they thought they could clinch a trade deal with the remaining EU without contributing to the bloc's budget.

In a video interview with the Financial Times published online on Friday, Macron said Britain could strike a trade deal similar to the one Norway or Switzerland have, but that it would still have to contribute towards the EU budget and even then would not automatically receive full-fledged access to the single market.

Asked whether the "Leave campaign" was right to argue that Britain would be able to negotiate the same trade deal with the EU if it left than the one it currently enjoys as a member, he said:

"I think that's a big mistake. The best possible trade deal is the one you have and especially the one just renegotiated with the rest of the EU.

"So those who pretend that passporting will be preserved exactly following the same rules without any contribution to the budget, are making a big, a big mistake because it's completely wrong," Macron added.

"So for sure, you can renegotiate a trade arrangement, but this trade deal will be less favourable to the UK than being part of the club," he said.

He also said Britain would also have to face volatility between the June referendum on Brexit and the time it implements any trade deal, which would take one to two years.

Macron, who has sought to pressure the European Commission and EU members into imposing higher tariffs on cheap Chinese steel imports, said Britain would struggle to stand up to China outside the 28-member union.

"Do you think you will be in a situation to protect your steel industry tomorrow if you are alone as the UK economy facing the Chinese one?" he asked.

"I do believe it's much more efficient to be part of the EU."

(Reporting by Michel Rose Editing by Jeremy Gaunt)

France warns UK post-Brexit trade deal would mean paying to EU budget


France's economy minister, Emmanuel Macron, told those advocating an exit of Britain from the European Union they were wrong if they thought they could clinch a trade deal with the remaining EU without contributing to the bloc's budget.

In a video interview with the Financial Times published online on Friday, Macron said Britain could strike a trade deal similar to the one Norway or Switzerland have, but that it would still have to contribute towards the EU budget and even then would not automatically receive full-fledged access to the single market.

Asked whether the "Leave campaign" was right to argue that Britain would be able to negotiate the same trade deal with the EU if it left than the one it currently enjoys as a member, he said:

"I think that's a big mistake. The best possible trade deal is the one you have and especially the one just renegotiated with the rest of the EU.

"So those who pretend that passporting will be preserved exactly following the same rules without any contribution to the budget, are making a big, a big mistake because it's completely wrong," Macron added.

"So for sure, you can renegotiate a trade arrangement, but this trade deal will be less favourable to the UK than being part of the club," he said.

He also said Britain would also have to face volatility between the June referendum on Brexit and the time it implements any trade deal, which would take one to two years.

Macron, who has sought to pressure the European Commission and EU members into imposing higher tariffs on cheap Chinese steel imports, said Britain would struggle to stand up to China outside the 28-member union.

"Do you think you will be in a situation to protect your steel industry tomorrow if you are alone as the UK economy facing the Chinese one?" he asked.

"I do believe it's much more efficient to be part of the EU."

(Reporting by Michel Rose Editing by Jeremy Gaunt)

I'm sure the bosses of the German and French Auto makers will love Monsieur Macron.
Our steel industry is a miniscule part of our GDP anyway.
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No it would'nt..You see you've got to admire the French, at least they've got some guts at the 'begining' of negotiations, they should give Cameron a lesson, because he was absolutely useless in getting any meaningful 'REFORMS' for the UK.

But other then that, the UK is the 5th LARGEST economy in the world, we can get a deal that will not have us having to pay into that organisation.......

Emmanuel Macron is the same guy who said if Britain leave all our bankers would go to France , he should do stand up..

As to that pro eu leaflet, I split it up into 8 seperate pages,
they got posted this morning..

8 envelopes....

Whilst I would like us to continue to trade with Europe there are other trading opportunities, more than 6 times the size of Europe.
2517

That's not very efficient grannyboy, are you an MEP. lol
2517

I sent mine as one but i think grannyboy wants Dave to get the message .

2517 it was a freepost address, just had to supply the envelopes,
But it was worth it.....;D

Granny.

You are a clever fellow.

Ukip needs your abilities.

Why nor send some empty envelopes as well.

I hope Wavy Dave will reply.

fred I'm certainly a lot cleverer then YOU'RE, AND I don't
have to use disgusting cartoons to get any valid point across!.

Granny,

I am a littles surprised that you understand the cartoons.

Surprising how much content can be contained in a few brush or pen strokes.

I've already told YOU, i'm a lot cleverer then you'l ever be, and I don't need to use crass cartoons to put an argument across.

What about Corbyn "we should stay in the EU" biggest hypocrite ever.

I can think of somebody a far larger hypocrite than Corbyn!

Yeah and me, Harriet Hypocrite Harman, I expect that is who you had in mind Fred.
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Corbyn has been opposed to the EU for many years and was attacking it last year. He has ditched his principles and supported the EU because his party would turn on him even more than it has so far.