Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

We have tried to change it from within for many years without success.

Imo given a referendum then other countries would vote to leave too and this will probably happen further down the line.

Original concept was good but got hijacked by those wishing to see a United States of Europe.

Total joke when some tin pot region of Belgium can hold the rest of the EU to ransom over the trade deal with Canada , that's not democracy.

any lib or lab info pushed in our sreet will be collected and pushed back via their door

The problem students with good degrees face Fred is these days every Tom , Dick and Henrietta has got a degree of some sort.

Most of them wouldn't have got into uni 25 years ago but now we let anyone in and the country can't afford to pay for them like they used to so they get saddled with debt.

My daughter got accepted for one uni and had an offer in writing from them last Christmas Eve based on the qualifications she already has and she doesn't sit her A levels til June. In other words you don't even need A levels to get in these days.

Uni I am referring to is Gloucester although I am sure many others just care about arses on seats and not qualifications.

agreed Dil
had there been any meaningful movement from brussels b4 the referendum, then i suspect the result would have gone the other way
there wasn't and it didn't, so now let's get on with it and see what happens ....... even if the fallout will continue for decades

Must dash got to concentrate on the toast I'm cooking.

I can't see the EU lasting for more decades. Once the UK honey pot disappears, the Germans won't want to take up the slack despite its economic advantage on the others within the Eurozone. Its not for nothing that the Frau wants the UK's continuing contribution to be first on the agenda. Trump demanding increased spending on defence and a bunch of weaklings needing further financial support - that won't go down well in the fatherland when public services start to suffer. As here.

Dil,

I know Manuel is pretty ancient, but not sure how old you are but know that I am older than you.

My comparisons or awareness of changes partially due to the EU go back to before European Economic Community in 1973.

I was discussing some of those changes with my 90 year old brother and we related the changes in living standards, especially health and social standards.

The quality of "life" prior to 1973 would be unacceptable to many of today's public.

Schools, hospital, housing, working conditions, legal freedoms and general wellbeing have been advanced.

Sure some of the changes would have occurred with or without the EU EC etc. but the speeds of those changes were/ are enhanced by the formation, integration, and stability of Europe.

To me, it is daft to renege on promises to subvert its continuing development to satisfy the whims of a few adolescents and immature ideology.

to satisfy the whims of a few adolescents and immature ideology

fred - with that, you destroy all you might have said that was sensible beforehand
several million disagreed with your view and that does not make them stupid or worse

i disagree with you, but am content to be called stupid or worse :-)

"fred - with that, you destroy all you might have said that was sensible beforehand"

Yes beforehand..afterhand... and middlehand....

fred the fool believes what the europhiliacs has implanted in his head and the
rest of the brainwashed, that the eu has been the bedrock of their security, when
in fact its being NATO...And when talking about integration, means uncontrolled
immigration and open borders...

The cnut just talks utter Boll**..

Financial gain is more important than life for some

"Sergej W " bought a large number of so-called put options for shares of Borussia Dortmund

Dortmund bus terror arrest: German-Russian man 'carried out bomb attack to make money then blamed Muslims'

The Borussia Dortmund team bus was targeted with three bombs last Tuesday ahead of their Champions League quarter-final against Monaco, leaving one player and one policeman injured

Police have arrested a German-Russian citizen on Friday morning on suspicion of carrying out the attack on the Borussia Dortmund team bus last Tuesday, with prosecutors alleging that the bombing was motivated by financial greed...
dortmund-bus-terror-arrest-german-russian-share-price-blamed

Manuel,

Millions of people have been known to form the wrong opinion more than once.

Look what happened.

Being wrong doesn't make you stupid, just misled by yourself or others.

Sometimes even ahead of the pack.

But not you Fred?

Ukip may not contest seats held by pro-Brexit Tories


Cash-strapped party could stand aside in seats held by Conservatives who campaigned strongly to leave EU


While the main beneficiaries would be Tories, it is possible that some pro-Brexit Labour MPs, for example Kate Hoey in Vauxhall, could also see no Ukip candidate stand against them.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/21/ukip-may-not-contest-seats-held-by-pro-brexit-tories

I suppose coming on here is better than talking to yourself all day Freda .

Where the dead tories go.

Fred , I can remember 1973 and of course there have been major advances in all walks of life but they would have happened anyway just like they have in the rest of the world.

Even most tin pot countries standards of living are better than they were in 1973.

Max,

I have made loads of mistakes and had them pointed out to me by my 5 wives.

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I was told when I was young that it was OK to make mistakes, but the secret was to try not to repeat them and consider them as part of a learning process.

I have never made a mystake.

Got you!

I did that on porpoise.