Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Nigel Farage is on QT tonight.

It will be very interesting to listen to what he has to say about the Ireland/Northern Ireland border problem and his comments on:

a. What the EU want and the fact that
b. No British Prime Minister will ever let them it

IMHO, sensible comments/solutions to this problem are highly likely to come from both Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees-Mogg, both of whom actually sing from the same Brexit hymn sheet.

You thinking of buying one of Nige's used vans, Doc?

:o)

Both and low-grade con artists.

Brexit seems to be getting more and more like a little englanders looking down the barrels of their own shotguns and blaming somebody else for pulling the trigger.

Perhaps they can sign up for Trump.

Forgot, they don't need to.

They have Boris for leader.

How's about Itexit?

"There is a crooked woman, who would walk a crooked mile.
To find a crooked sixpence upon any crooked stile.
She would buy a crooked cat, to catch a crooked mouse,
So they all could live together in a very crooked house."

corbyn has stayed firm on his own beliefs on brexit throughout ..... and even now of course ...... really????

==========

FRED - in your opinion, what do you think corbyn would do or would have done to deliver what the country voted for, albeit not by a massive margin, that would have been so different from what has happened so far?

what magic wand does corbyn have, that would enable the break for brussels that was voted for by the majority, but still maintain free trade et al?

Manuel.

I don't know.

But from the little I know or witnessed of Corbyn I think he tries to be honest and also believes in democracy and hasn’t forgotten what it means and would bend to the view of the majority even if he would try to sway it in the way he thinks is “right”.

I think he would have a more collegiate cabinet than the one T May "rules" over and would look for a pragmatic solution which would be “beneficial” for the majority of the UK.
I think probably his approach to "Brussels" would be more civil and less demanding and certainly less provocative than the present government’s approach.

The present approach of May's cohorts is often arrogant to my mind.

I think what he probably would do, is attempt to define what the acceptable goals would be and whether those expectations could be met with an agreement feasible to the "intactness" of the remaining 27.

Concentrating on the benefits to both sides rather than the demands.

He would hopefully try to consider the short and long-term economic effects of such a “deal” on the general population of the UK.

“All the information” regarding any possible agreements should be provided for the public and MPs and the Lordships and reviewed by them.

After negotiations any confirmation of the possible contracts, I think it should have an open and free vote by all MPs and House of Lords.

Then, the feasible “contract” should be placed as a referendum before the UK public
with all the “known” positives and negatives openly debated.
I-=-=-=-=-=

Personally, I think leaving the EU would be crazy and the majority of MPS have similar opinions.

To me, it would be more sensible to stay in the Eu and modify the weaknesses or faults which occur.

Harmony is more productive than disharmony.

If you join a club you expect to pay the bills and obey the rules and to modify the latter with the general agreement of its membership.


The public is allowed to change their mind,

We have elections every 5years with the chance of doing so.

My views are that the majority of mature individuals review their thoughts, ideas, "beliefs" and action many times during their lives.

The above is applicable to democracy.

at least you admit you don't know, and pretty much repeat versions of that all through your last post

we all know that you were strongly against leaving eu, and there's nothing wrong with that - my own vote was marginal until the very last minute, but ultimately chose the other option

i do not think we should have another referendum and i doubt i shall change that view

whatever is battered out, and i'm sure there'll be some good bits and some bad, we'll all have to learn to live with it ...... similarly if (heaven forbid) we get a hard left-wing gov't at the next election or even the one following ..... that said, on past record you'll decline to vote at all so i'm afraid it makes your views less valid, whatever you may like to believe



my real objection to 99% of your posts is that they are so partisan as to make them totally predictable and binable
your responses to any who have the temerity disagree with you are then supercilious or patronising or both

As a matter of interest if there is another referendum which swings the way of the remain camp can we at some later date have a best of three referendum? ... or 5 or 7 or ... well were do you draw the line?

Manuel,

You asked for my opinion.

You are entitled to your opinions as much as I am.

But, I am glad I don't have to agree with your opinions or need to act on any of them.

If my responses are so predictable to you, you would appear to me to be a bigger fool than I thought you were, to have asked for them.

But, when somebody who appears to me to be stunted in adolescence as you are, argues that my opinions are of lesser value and dependant on whether or not, I vote, is for me questionable.

As far as I am concerned, all are entitled to their opinions whether they are substantiated., or not.

Again, the way in which you seem to present your arguments makes it is a little difficult not to seem patronizing when responding to you.

C’est la vie.
-=-=-=-=-=

Martini,

Evolution, I think, is the necessary part of all developing organisations and I would think it reasonable to review the organisation within such organisations periodically.

Such reviews could be instigated if the “will” of the people is advocated at periodic general elections or by a vote in parliament.


We have had elections and change of policies and social developments for centuries subsequent to them.

That is the problem for some with democracy.

The cartoon is so so, but the comments section is full of remoaner porn, an absolute orgy of recrimination and self loathing.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2018/mar/02/martin-rowson-theresa-may-third-brexit-speech-cartoon

Even the cartoons are becoming poorer.

Wait by the exit.

Martini,

The line will be drawn once more than 50% of the Great British electorate tick the correct box.

:o)

In another referendum we would vote leave by a bigger margin , i guarantee you.

jimmy - DC thought the reverse first time around - as indeed it would almost certainly have been had our local marxist not been less than lukewarm; TM fucked up the last GE by being similarly overconfident

I really would take a punt on that this time ,i think a lot of undecided would now vote out ,i think folk are angry at the way the EU have tried to blackmail us ,i also think people are fed up with so called experts completely wrong predictions and scare mongering . As for Blair ,Major etc it goes with out saying .
I think your right TM was over confident especially with her care in the home dementia we will take your home tax , what on earth was she thinking .

Really, Jimbo?

UK odds-on to vote Remain in a second EU Referendum

Britons favour second referendum by 16-point margin

I think we should have Referenda every Wednesday and Elvis on a Friday - or maybe Billy Fury.

Exec,

They play every day at No 10!

;-)