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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Fred1new - 02 Mar 2018 22:32 - 8781 of 12628

Manuel,

You asked for my opinion.

You are entitled to your opinions as much as I am.

But, I am glad I don't have to agree with your opinions or need to act on any of them.

If my responses are so predictable to you, you would appear to me to be a bigger fool than I thought you were, to have asked for them.

But, when somebody who appears to me to be stunted in adolescence as you are, argues that my opinions are of lesser value and dependant on whether or not, I vote, is for me questionable.

As far as I am concerned, all are entitled to their opinions whether they are substantiated., or not.

Again, the way in which you seem to present your arguments makes it is a little difficult not to seem patronizing when responding to you.

C’est la vie.
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Martini,

Evolution, I think, is the necessary part of all developing organisations and I would think it reasonable to review the organisation within such organisations periodically.

Such reviews could be instigated if the “will” of the people is advocated at periodic general elections or by a vote in parliament.


We have had elections and change of policies and social developments for centuries subsequent to them.

That is the problem for some with democracy.




MaxK - 03 Mar 2018 08:48 - 8782 of 12628





The cartoon is so so, but the comments section is full of remoaner porn, an absolute orgy of recrimination and self loathing.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2018/mar/02/martin-rowson-theresa-may-third-brexit-speech-cartoon

Fred1new - 03 Mar 2018 09:29 - 8783 of 12628

Even the cartoons are becoming poorer.

Wait by the exit.

hilary - 03 Mar 2018 09:36 - 8784 of 12628

Martini,

The line will be drawn once more than 50% of the Great British electorate tick the correct box.

:o)

jimmy b - 03 Mar 2018 10:08 - 8785 of 12628

In another referendum we would vote leave by a bigger margin , i guarantee you.

cynic - 03 Mar 2018 10:20 - 8786 of 12628

jimmy - DC thought the reverse first time around - as indeed it would almost certainly have been had our local marxist not been less than lukewarm; TM fucked up the last GE by being similarly overconfident

jimmy b - 03 Mar 2018 10:32 - 8787 of 12628

I really would take a punt on that this time ,i think a lot of undecided would now vote out ,i think folk are angry at the way the EU have tried to blackmail us ,i also think people are fed up with so called experts completely wrong predictions and scare mongering . As for Blair ,Major etc it goes with out saying .
I think your right TM was over confident especially with her care in the home dementia we will take your home tax , what on earth was she thinking .

ExecLine - 03 Mar 2018 12:14 - 8789 of 12628

I think we should have Referenda every Wednesday and Elvis on a Friday - or maybe Billy Fury.

Fred1new - 03 Mar 2018 15:01 - 8790 of 12628

Exec,

They play every day at No 10!

;-)

iturama - 03 Mar 2018 15:45 - 8791 of 12628

Well they didn't get it right last time, Hilary, but being Paddy, he never learns from his mistakes.

https://news.paddypower.com/politics/2016/06/20/brexit-vote-update-paddy-power-stunned-as-uk-votes-to-leave-despite-huge-bets-for-remain/

Dil - 03 Mar 2018 21:14 - 8792 of 12628

Umm Hils , they were odds on last time and the odds were much shorter.

Dil - 03 Mar 2018 21:17 - 8793 of 12628

... and when's the last time the polls got anything right ?

Martini - 03 Mar 2018 22:11 - 8794 of 12628

WBA being regulated?

hilary - 04 Mar 2018 08:26 - 8795 of 12628

Dil,

A second referendum hasn't even been called so it's all a bit academic at this stage. The betting market will be thin, and the bookies will just be keeping a balanced book, making it sufficiently attractive to pull in some business and ensure they win to some degree, regardless of the outcome.

There are so many intangibles still. For instance, how effective will Soros' money be this summer in drumming up interest for a second referendum? Will Maggie get a good deal from Brussels? Will she win October's meaningful vote? Will she still have a job? Will Corbyn be PM?

Once those matters are resolved, and if there does end up being a second referendum, then the betting market will change. You know how these things work.

cynic - 04 Mar 2018 08:52 - 8796 of 12628

Maggie????

Fred1new - 04 Mar 2018 09:16 - 8797 of 12628



Get behind you leader.


Which leader and which way is she going?

hilary - 04 Mar 2018 09:19 - 8798 of 12628

Maggie May, cyners.

cynic - 04 Mar 2018 09:27 - 8799 of 12628

and which leader would Fred suggest? ...... Corbyn?
racing certainty he won't actually say who he'ld like to see leading UK's exit from Europe

One can dislike the referendum result, but that's what UK voted for, so it's no good sitting around wringing your hands and wishing it hadn't happened

interesting to note that even France is now clamouring for a drastic overhaul of the eurozone

MaxK - 04 Mar 2018 10:19 - 8800 of 12628

I suspect the €urobods are popping little packages over the Italian thingy.
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