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gazkaz - 05 Dec 2013 08:06 - 932 of 1034

Hi Sahara - sorry for delay in reply,
- site either been down and/or - I couldn't log in over last 36hrs ?

Will keep it short in case - the post doesn't "accept"

Yes I think he connects to most "Big" dots... I have ever come accross... in one Short video, and does it , coherently, eloquently and in laymans terms.
- Maybe he is ....as one of the Romans said of the Scots (in paraphrase) "They are our most formidable opponent - their...faith...gives them ...no fear of death"

From memory Klovenhoof was/is the ...jezzy nagga pupeteer who pulls the strings that makes the public RC "popeT" dance on the balcony in the square,
- together with..... those of the Python teams Life of Brian - " The - knights - who like to say ..Nee" ..when they are - Maltese :o)

Prof McCanney - is about the most plausible guy on comets
- his version projections are contrary to NASAl's B.S
- and ...keeps getting proven ....correct

Interesting 1st 15min opening ....which includes Prof Mc-C's update on ISON
(Plus - The comments from...The host who is a ...Vet, former sumarine core)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY-NZTS05WM&feature=player_embedded

Saturn6 - 05 Dec 2013 13:41 - 933 of 1034

Yes Gaz - The Black Pope. I shall come back to him in due course.

Listening to your latest deployment (I wonder what happened to Prof McKinney?) I heard the foretelling of the Berlin wall coming down. And the fact that it was a ploy to delude us into thinking the RED threat was no longer there. And that they plan things way into the ffuture as we already know due to the snippets of prophecy in films, comedy series and playing cards etc.

But are you aware of who the 'red' threat is, and where it started? And what they plan for the US and UK?

S.

Saturn6 - 05 Dec 2013 13:59 - 934 of 1034

The Bullish reversal I was alluding to completed as was expected yesterday with a long white candle ripping past the last red candle. notice the gaps between the big candles and the 'Doji'? (The 'Doji' is the middle of the last three candles that form the candle pattern called 'Morning Star')

This is a bullish reversal pattern especially so on retraces in an otherwise up-trending instrument, and is in the top rankings for efficacy.

But, we need the confirming candle today...(A close above yesterdays close) to complete the bullish set-up, it looks right now that Silver will open lower than yesterdays close (Currenttly -2.15%) but it is where we end the day that counts.....



Apart from the symmetry move of the 'Bear Flag' above we also have a double tag of an important support line...



S.

gazkaz - 05 Dec 2013 16:41 - 935 of 1034

Sahara
Forgot to mention - yes when I checked back....you definiely have a chartists eye for detail....that is a toroidal field at the beginning of Levaders must see interview.

Did you pick up on the Cowley/Elites.....group of nine...section and their "contacting
- the....other..... group of Nine".

Having read much on the - who really runs the planet.

When you wander up thro - the Bildy-boorgers, The Tri-Literal Comm, The Council on Far out relations.....and The Regal Inst of Inbred Affiars , you generally reach The Kermit-y of 300
(there is often mention of the inner 30 too)
- But...the in depth researchers.... often get to... and then....stop...at
- The Unknown 9, The Group of 9, Committee of 9..... or similar.

I think (again from memory) - in the T-Chings Of All Ages....he makes mention of
- the Unknown 9
- who direct... "The Great Quest" re mankind
(& that was written in the 1920's by.....the only guy ever to slot straight into a top slot of the StoneChippers.....without going through any of the lower degrees) .

One may "possibly" conclude - the 9....are
- perhaps the "other Group of 9"
(mentioned by Levander).

Going a little further into left field of...possible connecting dots
- Suppressed archeology makes clear - the ..older.... the stone blockwork
- the bigger, heavier, more irregularly & technically intricate it becomes.

To the extent....it can allude to ....pop me that 100 ton block down off the top for a minute.....it needs a bit off this end....I can... nearly... get a razor-blade in the joint at the moment.

Evidence of ...very advanced "ancient" technology.... in fact abounds.

In more recent times....
Having spent.. thousands of years to achieve - the steam age/industrial revolution
- in just - a few short decades
- we then had sattelites, a mach three Blackbird plane
- and now "Quantum computers"
All in "the mere blink of an eye.
(& according to John Lear - that's just - in the public domain - reality is 50/70 years ahead of that).

Add the two together - and one might wonder where the ancient technology came from - and then went
- and where the ...phenomenal...step change in technology 60 years ogo....got the
- impetus from.

Levanders
- The "other 9" and friends ??

Ultimate objective

The Georgia guidestones - state - an earth population of...529 million

- there are the "ghost cities" in China standing vacant ??....that would house....millions

If you pop on...the foil hat for a moment :o)

- then putting them to use..evacuating Japan (Fukishima stage II - Cayce prophecy...Japan will roll...into the sea)
- it would put a pool of all the worlds....most braiwashed, indoctrinated...ready trained & obedient population.... all in one place.

( I feel another spell of problems logging in....coming on :o)

Saturn6 - 06 Dec 2013 09:57 - 936 of 1034

Gaz - I did take in the '9', and it makes sense when you see the Star of David, their flag, which has nine parts (the 6 smaller triangles the 2 larger ones and the hexagon.) Also the 666 (six sides to the centre hex, 6 small triangles, six points)...



But what is key here to understand is that the Jews who are re-assembled in Israel are not Jews. They are of the 'Synagogue of Satan' ...

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 2:9-10, 3:9.

If we are to understand the 'truth' as laid out for the descerning in scripture we can easily see through the lies and deceits. The flag was officially established in the year 1948, after the independence. The Jews struggled and wandered a lot, and finally have a homeland to call their own. But we know from scripture the Israelites will not return to their homeland untill the second coming of Christ.

Those who call themselves Jews are nothing of the sort. Rather, they are the KHAZARS passing themselves off as Jews. Remember Jews were only one tribe of Israel. The tribe of Judah.

If we want to know the facts we need to go all the way back to Noah after he had built a vinyard and became drunk from the wine and Ham his Son uncovered his nakedness...

'And Noah began to be a farmer, and he planted a vineyard. Then he drank of the wine and was drunk, and became uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. But Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and went backward and covered the nakedness of their father. Their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness. So Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done to him. Then he said: "Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants he shall be to his brethren." And he said: "Blessed be the LORD, the God of Shem, and may Canaan be his servant. May God enlarge Japheth, and may he dwell in the tents of Shem; and may Canaan be his servant."'

We need to understand what was done by Ham and to understand why Canaan was cursed. Do you understand what happened?

S.

Saturn6 - 06 Dec 2013 11:19 - 937 of 1034

$Silver failed to perform for us yesterday with the confirmation candle required for the 'Morning Star' candle configuration...but all may not be lost. (Look at the mid-line of up candle) We have the all awaited data from the US at 1.30 which will be the cause of todays price action.

We need to see this support zone held as it is also support on the monthly chart as shown prior. Thats not to say we won't get a 'Bear Trap' dip below and rebound but ideally we would like to see this correction maintain as Wave-2 in order to see an explosve up move into the powerful Wave-3.

If this area is lost conclusively, then we need to be aware of anything upto a 20+% drop which would be fast and furious, and form the final wash-out of weak holders before bounding back and way beyond $50.

I am rotating profits from longs into physical at these bargain basement prices while mantaining my 1/3rd overall available exposure. And will look to increse that exposure level on a confirmed bottom...



S.

Saturn6 - 06 Dec 2013 11:44 - 938 of 1034

The 'W' Bottom I alluded to has failed but again be aware of a potential 'Bear Trap' I am aware there is a 'H&S' with the neck-line break, but not many may not be aware of the Bullish 'Wedge' ...



S.

gazkaz - 06 Dec 2013 14:46 - 939 of 1034

Sahara
I come accross many articles lectures on my meanderings and read/watch many of the scholars/acedemic works I encounter. Many of which relate to the origins of mankind .
Everything from the commonalities in most religions - such as the death on the cross, three days of darkness, and subsequent resurrection etc.

The Roman organised council of Nicea, many of the scriptures Thomas/Mary etc which weren't included in the early bible. The Nag Hamandi and dissetations re books which survived the burning of the Library At Alexandria.

In addition... many of the Hebrew/greek/Sumarian language scholars who look at the root forms of many of the original works which form the bible, and how a more acedemic othodox translation of many key sections of the bible....give a quite different meaning

Onwards through to the re-writing of much of the Bible by King James, and final editing by Sir Francis Bacon, to incorporate much of his cryptic cyphering of esoteric information etc
(The stonechippers chosen illustrated version being the one kept in the lodges).

Going off at a tangent for a moment.
The few remaining skulls on public display of the enlarged humanoid heads of old show a - single skull plate at the forhead (rather than the 2 plates of modern homo sapien which later fuse after birth)....and many skeletons relating to the era had...6 fingers.
(The mark of the beast...in the forehead... and the mark in the hand).
The Cain line as it were.

And I have probably read eveything along the way, from the Ben Panthur Twins account, to Sitchens and how that stylised version appears in the orthodox bible, together with adapted Gnostic works.

One of the accounts re the Noah Nakedness - was that the sons (possibly not literal) were privy to sight of something physical about him disclosing .....a visual connection to the sons of gods (small g & plural) involvement with the women of earth and their progeny...the mighty men of renown.

All in all, in conclusion - I am still on the fence with an open mind,
- other than.... being a creationist, and along with that .....
- there obviously follows a.... creator/God (singular, capital G)

Apologies again for a long answer - to a short question.

........................................................................................................................

I read a lot on very varied subjects,
- but rarely begin by actually searching for a particular subject, but which may become one which garners my interest on and off for some while.
- reading one thing leads a few links later to something completely different which often becomes a subject of .... of such garnered interest.
- over time....very different subjects throw up very unexpected connections.

(I suppose Levanders presentation is a ...prime example of - how reading "the single topic subjects"
- of say.....JFK, the secret space programme, Hoover, the Elites, Crowley, the "other 9" etc
- can eventually all ....actually end up....being connected.

Saturn6 - 06 Dec 2013 16:44 - 940 of 1034

Gaz - Yes there is much to know and more to find out, but at least we are searching.

And yes!! I agree with the tampering of scripture especially the cunning switch from Yahushua to Jesus...(Je Zeus) One of the mighty men of old.Also Lord, and LORD in place of Gods holy name of which there are precious few who know His Holy name. Amen etc.

But with the guidance of the Holy Spirit these coverings and switches are easily discerned. Hence 'Seek the truth and the truth shall set you free'.

As with Ham and his father Noah, it would seem to me that he (Ham) had relations with his Fathers wife, Hams own Mother, and I guess that Canaan was the product of the entanglement, as many of the Canaanites continued to have the same kind of relations with their Mothers/?

And although the flood did away with the 'Giants' there were as we are told still Nephilim. as at the time of David in Israel Goliath the giant of Gath is one example. and there are many more along with legends and myths of nearly every ancient culture throughout earths history. The Hebrew translation of Nephelim (plural of nephel) (Nephilim) literally means "rejects".

This was Satans attempt at polluting Abraham's seed that was foretold would bring the woman (Christ)...


There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,
when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and
they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which
were of old, men of renown. (Genesis 6:4)

Notice and also after that!....

But the crux (pardon me) of the issue is when we come to Isaac and Rebekah, whose twins Jacob and Esau were to establish the outcome we have today. As they were even battling in the womb. And God hated Esau, probably because he foreknew that Esau would have no zeal for his birthright to rule with Yah. And indeed traded his firstborn birthright to his younger twin Jacob for a pot of 'RED' beans to satisfy his hunger after working in the field.

There is much more to this fascinating event, but skipping forward we see that Esau broke his parents heart by marrying into the Hittites, of which were descendants of the Canaanites. The reason for their despair was the knowledge of his fornication with the seed of Satan. So to sum up there was a blessing put on Esau by his Father Isaac on Isaacs deathbed but when Rebekah overheard it she thwarted the blessing and arranged for Jacob to dress in an animal skin to deceive Isaac so that he would receive the blessing (wealth) Esau was bitter sore with this as the wealth of Abraham meant everything to him. And he wept bitterly.

Moving along we see that Joseph two sons Jacobs Grandsons are Ephraim and Manasseh, which cutting the story short after the Israelites were released fro captivity in Babylon the 10 tribes of the north moved through the Caucasus to Wetern Europe and on to the US and Ephraim is the US and Manasseh is the UK, and you can see the descriptions in scripture that confirm this. So while we are led to believe we are Gentiles we are really Israelites, Israel being the name given to Jacob.

While Esau changed his name to Edom (RED) and his descendants were known as the Edomites, the Kahzars we know of today who say they are Jews, but are not Judeans.

S.

gazkaz - 07 Dec 2013 00:24 - 941 of 1034

Sahara
The first line of your post sums it up concisely.

From the burning of the library at Alexandria, through the Romans, the Crusades, the Spanish inquests, the burning of witches, the blatant murder of the North American indians, displacement of the Aborigines, up to the small man with the moustache book burnings and his ...associated actions accross Europe,
- right up to the current day attrocities against their own population & the monastries in Tibet by China
- there has been....
- a concerted effort to eliminate anything and anyone
- with "knowledge" of ancient history
- and replace it....with a quite absurd alternative
(Darwinism being one example, and one of many other glaring absurdities....building the pyramids with logs/ropes/stone hammers and very hillarious....copper chisels).

From history, archeology, particle physics, chemistry, free energy, medical cures, astronomy to pretty much everything
- we are fed a relentless...crock of ba-ba.

The challenge is then to try to find the truth - amongst the limitless budget....providers of dis-information.

gazkaz - 07 Dec 2013 00:38 - 942 of 1034

Stephen Leeb - comments

China is actually mining some of its gold at projects inside of China
- at staggering “all-in cash costs
- in the $2,000 to $2,500 range.”

Not only are the Chinese..... vacuuming up all of the gold from the West,
- but they are also ....keeping ......the world’s largest volume of production ....for themselves as well.
This is why the West is losing control and the people in the West are going to be the bag holders.

But the only way the Chinese can be doing all of this mining
- is if they believe gold is going to be selling for .....at least $2,000 to $2,500.

Alex Stanczyk, Chief Market Strategist for the Anglo Far- East group

Having just jus returned from a trip to Switzerland. Alex confirmed
- the distribution of gold from west to east... is not... slowing down whatsoever.
- Refineries in Switzerland are.... still working 24 hour a day
- to cast bars for China,
- sometimes having difficulties sourcing the gold..

http://www.ingoldwetrust.ch/alex-stanczyk-physical-supply-never-been-tighter


Bill Fleckstein - thoughts on BitCoin

“Yeah, it’s .....a giant chain-letter.
- Everyone will lose all of their money that puts money in it.
- It’s a complete joke.
Even a crappy currency has government taxing ability behind it, or some sort of a standing army or something like that.

Bitcoin in nothing.
- It’s dot-com mania 3.0.... just moved one step over, right?
- People are so enamored with communication with their phones and online commerce and all of that.
- Now... they’ve invented.... what they call - a currency
- to mess around with it, and people are speculating in it the same way they speculated in..... this other crap.

It’s not a currency at all, it’s a complete joke.”


Canadian John Ing comments

I visited the Shanghai Gold Exchange in 2009, and today that futures exchange is
- bigger than the Comex.
Most importantly, if you look at their deliveries, they have delivered
- 8,655 tons of gold ......since 2009.
That is a staggering amount of gold because
- that’s more gold than the Americans ....are supposed to have.... at Fort Knox.

The Chinese have consumed somewhere in the neighborhood of
- 1,700 tons of gold
- in just the first 8 months of this year.
This works out to the Chinese consuming ....all of the world’s production... in one year. Where is that gold going ?

(Comment - on top of that - China themselves are the worlds largest producer.....and that doesn't see...the light of day...through the markets)





gazkaz - 07 Dec 2013 01:00 - 943 of 1034

Interesting Suggestion

The chart below shows 3 separate..... 13-year cycles
(starting in 1973).

The 13 year cycle applies to the..... S & P 500/DJIA..... and gold.

When the S & P 500.... tops in the 13th, year
- gold bottoms in the 13th year.

And...... allegedly
- It has been that way since U. S. citizens were granted the right to own gold.



gazkaz - 07 Dec 2013 12:23 - 944 of 1034

Sahara
- it can be amusing reading the science & the scientists re the - origins of man.

Reading between the lines & putting it in plain speak - this article.... although in more - scientific eloquent terms says

- sorry old lad - seems it was a bit more complicated than we thought.
- in fact - it seems the... last load of twaddle... we came up with
(which replaced our - previous load of bolox - that we fed to you)
- was....in hindsight....a load of old tosh too

Or in a few quotes from - the science

"The oldest known human DNA found yet reveals human evolution was... even more confusing ...than thought", researchers say.

"The DNA, which dates back some 400,000 years, may belong to ...an unknown human ancestor", say scientists

And well, 'erm
"Until now,
- the previous oldest human DNA known came from a 100,000-year-old Neanderthal"

But 'erm
"We think
-the ancestors of modern humans and Neanderthals diverged
- maybe ....some 500,000 years ago."
- The oldest fossils of modern humans found yet date back to about 200,000 years ago.

And, 'erm

Surprisingly, the mitochondrial DNA reveals this fossil shared a common ancestor not with Neanderthals,
- but ...with Denisovans,
- splitting from them about.... 700,000 years ago.

Which is 'erm

"... odd,
- since research currently suggests the Denisovans lived in eastern Asia,
- not in western Europe"

They conclude

Basically - in plain speak

- the crock of shit we have previously sold you.... about the evolotion of mankind
- just ....doesn't stack up
- and basically we are - losing the plot....on trying to make this discovery in some way link up with the - last crock of shit we sold you.......and the previous combined crock of it.

But here's our best shot at it.......and - I Quote

.......................................................................................................................

The researchers suggest a number of possible explanations for these findings.

First,
- this specimen may have been closely related to the ancestors of Denisovans.
- However, this seems unlikely,...... since the presence of Denisovans in western Europe
- would suggest an extensive overlap of territory with Neanderthal ancestors,
- raising the question of ......
- how both groups could ....diverge genetically... while overlapping in range.

Second,
- the Sima de los Huesos humans
- may be related to the ancestors of..... both Neanderthals and Denisovans.
- The researchers consider this plausible given the fossil's age,

- but they would then have to explain
- how two very different mitochondrial DNA lineages.... stemmed from one group,
- one leading to Denisovans, the other to Neanderthals.

Third,
- the humans found at the Sima de los Huesos... may be
- a lineage distinct from both Neanderthals and Denisovans
- that later... perhaps... contributed mitochondrial DNA to Denisovans.

However, this suggests this group
- was ...somehow.... both distinct from Neanderthals
- but also independently evolved several Neanderthal-like skeletal features.

Fourth,
- the investigators suggest a currently unknown human lineage
- brought Denisovan-like mitochondrial DNA into the Pit of Bones region,
- and possibly also to the Denisovans in Asia.


http://m.livescience.com/41679-oldest-human-dna-reveals-MYSTERIOUS-HOMID.html

.......................................................................................................................


When you are in a hole - the general advice is - "stop diggin'"

Unfortunately ....on this subject
- if TPTB "stop diggin' "....and come clean
- the whole house of cards ....would fall down

.....................(& I do mean - the whole lot)

Saturn6 - 07 Dec 2013 13:01 - 945 of 1034

Exactly Gaz - And all those events you describe and much, much more are the result of that battle between Jacob and Esau...Abrahams seed and Satans seed.

That is why they hate Christians and have to eradicate them from the earth. They wish to rebuild the Temple in Jerasalem and Satan says 'I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High."

If we take the words of Benjamin Disraeli, whose real name was 'Israel,' and who was a "damped," or baptized Jew, published his novel, CONINGSBY, in which occurs this ominous passage:

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."

And he went on to show that these personages were all Jews (Edomites = REDS) That also pre-date Esau and go all the way back to Solomon in 900BC where the plan was hatched for the universal conquest by Zion. And is represented today by the Pillars of Boaz and Jachin, which can be seen in all manner of unlikely places.

S.

Saturn6 - 07 Dec 2013 13:38 - 946 of 1034

Gaz - I wouldn't touch Bitcoin, much like all the hundreds and hundreds of on-line casino web-sites it probably emanates from the you know where?/ while pretending they are actually based somewhere like the Caribbean.

Also, On-line pharmaceuticals. On-line Forex trading (currency exchange). On-line binary options trading

S.

Saturn6 - 07 Dec 2013 13:41 - 947 of 1034

Gaz - That is a very nteresting cycle chart showing the culmination of the two time cycles at the current point ;-/

Good job I am rotating out of stocks and into energy and physical. But am hoping for an Xmas rally to cream a bit more, but stops are being tightened.

S.

Saturn6 - 07 Dec 2013 13:49 - 948 of 1034

And it is quite astonishing the depth and breadth of control they have attained in getting all the universities and learning faculties to push their gibberish nonesense into our psyche.

No doubt tvstk have been a help.

S.

gazkaz - 07 Dec 2013 23:17 - 949 of 1034

Sahara....yes, agreed

- Just read the whole Q & A on BITCOINS main page
- IMO FWIW
- no ifs buts or maybes - created by TPTB

Nobody else could create out of nothing - such an absurdly complex, nobody owns, nobody controlls..... "hey man - it's all concensus based"
- but multi encypted dude
- load of virtual, fiat "casino gambling chips"

AND...then
Super hype it
- to the extent, outlined in this ....link
(it's actually at the end a sales pitch....but well worth reading...as to whose getting into it......and suggestion ot the prospect....google, paypal and....a long list of etc's)

http://pacificrimcoins.com/content/edisons-revenge-dollar

Now who could engineer....that suggested level of take up - by big transnational corporations....wells fargo and money transfer !!
- plus integrate all the software
- into mainstream corporation useage
- ......globally

Hey man - it's open source dude....and concensus owned and run
- yeah man - it's..... by the people, for the people
- yeah man - it's ...Bolox
- alphabet agentcias fingerprints all over it



gazkaz - 07 Dec 2013 23:46 - 950 of 1034

Sahara
- yes the 13yr chart cycle (if accurate) is almost...precision.

Read a few things on cycles in the last 3months
- one was a book written a few decades ago on the.... cycles of investing
- the correlations were quite stunning....as to the cycles involved with.... various areas in the investment arena

Another was a two prt article titled.... something to the effect.... "Why ? - because it's not....our time"
- which dealt with....generational cycles

- effectively over a... 3 generations.... ie 75yrs (appx... a lifespan).... "Big" cycle
- not only ...will.... we experience X-Y-Z cycles within that time
- we will....also experience....R-S-T-V cycles ...within that cycle ...as well
(plus others)

It was - uncomfortably uncanny
(to the extent I read it again....twice more)

I may be mistaken - but from memory
- a few of those cycles... conclude in the next few years ...which fall
- in the - unpleasant category
(I think 2015....again...featured in the... more unpleasant category)

I think you are already - onboard - with cycles - having read many of your fibonacci posts
- it's quite fascinating how fibonacci ratios, golden ratios, and other sacred geometries
- keep on popping up ...again and again
- even down to... the realms of partcle physics.....right up to astronomy
(and most things inbetween)

gazkaz - 08 Dec 2013 00:01 - 951 of 1034

Sahara
Again a yes.

The history/origins of it , plus past and present use of the Tspook Inst, in pushing a united ...inter-connected theme ...throughout society
- throughout all levels of education, TV, Hollywood, computer games, adverts, MSM...and even the odd genuine politician who.. inavertently slips ...into..the gov
- does indeed demonstrate world control is already here ...in the hands of ..the few
(high single digit again - perhaps :o)
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