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The really useful silver thread (AG)     

squirrel888 - 12 Jun 2013 10:30

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gazkaz - 07 Dec 2013 00:24 - 941 of 1034

Sahara
The first line of your post sums it up concisely.

From the burning of the library at Alexandria, through the Romans, the Crusades, the Spanish inquests, the burning of witches, the blatant murder of the North American indians, displacement of the Aborigines, up to the small man with the moustache book burnings and his ...associated actions accross Europe,
- right up to the current day attrocities against their own population & the monastries in Tibet by China
- there has been....
- a concerted effort to eliminate anything and anyone
- with "knowledge" of ancient history
- and replace it....with a quite absurd alternative
(Darwinism being one example, and one of many other glaring absurdities....building the pyramids with logs/ropes/stone hammers and very hillarious....copper chisels).

From history, archeology, particle physics, chemistry, free energy, medical cures, astronomy to pretty much everything
- we are fed a relentless...crock of ba-ba.

The challenge is then to try to find the truth - amongst the limitless budget....providers of dis-information.

gazkaz - 07 Dec 2013 00:38 - 942 of 1034

Stephen Leeb - comments

China is actually mining some of its gold at projects inside of China
- at staggering “all-in cash costs
- in the $2,000 to $2,500 range.”

Not only are the Chinese..... vacuuming up all of the gold from the West,
- but they are also ....keeping ......the world’s largest volume of production ....for themselves as well.
This is why the West is losing control and the people in the West are going to be the bag holders.

But the only way the Chinese can be doing all of this mining
- is if they believe gold is going to be selling for .....at least $2,000 to $2,500.

Alex Stanczyk, Chief Market Strategist for the Anglo Far- East group

Having just jus returned from a trip to Switzerland. Alex confirmed
- the distribution of gold from west to east... is not... slowing down whatsoever.
- Refineries in Switzerland are.... still working 24 hour a day
- to cast bars for China,
- sometimes having difficulties sourcing the gold..

http://www.ingoldwetrust.ch/alex-stanczyk-physical-supply-never-been-tighter


Bill Fleckstein - thoughts on BitCoin

“Yeah, it’s .....a giant chain-letter.
- Everyone will lose all of their money that puts money in it.
- It’s a complete joke.
Even a crappy currency has government taxing ability behind it, or some sort of a standing army or something like that.

Bitcoin in nothing.
- It’s dot-com mania 3.0.... just moved one step over, right?
- People are so enamored with communication with their phones and online commerce and all of that.
- Now... they’ve invented.... what they call - a currency
- to mess around with it, and people are speculating in it the same way they speculated in..... this other crap.

It’s not a currency at all, it’s a complete joke.”


Canadian John Ing comments

I visited the Shanghai Gold Exchange in 2009, and today that futures exchange is
- bigger than the Comex.
Most importantly, if you look at their deliveries, they have delivered
- 8,655 tons of gold ......since 2009.
That is a staggering amount of gold because
- that’s more gold than the Americans ....are supposed to have.... at Fort Knox.

The Chinese have consumed somewhere in the neighborhood of
- 1,700 tons of gold
- in just the first 8 months of this year.
This works out to the Chinese consuming ....all of the world’s production... in one year. Where is that gold going ?

(Comment - on top of that - China themselves are the worlds largest producer.....and that doesn't see...the light of day...through the markets)





gazkaz - 07 Dec 2013 01:00 - 943 of 1034

Interesting Suggestion

The chart below shows 3 separate..... 13-year cycles
(starting in 1973).

The 13 year cycle applies to the..... S & P 500/DJIA..... and gold.

When the S & P 500.... tops in the 13th, year
- gold bottoms in the 13th year.

And...... allegedly
- It has been that way since U. S. citizens were granted the right to own gold.



gazkaz - 07 Dec 2013 12:23 - 944 of 1034

Sahara
- it can be amusing reading the science & the scientists re the - origins of man.

Reading between the lines & putting it in plain speak - this article.... although in more - scientific eloquent terms says

- sorry old lad - seems it was a bit more complicated than we thought.
- in fact - it seems the... last load of twaddle... we came up with
(which replaced our - previous load of bolox - that we fed to you)
- was....in hindsight....a load of old tosh too

Or in a few quotes from - the science

"The oldest known human DNA found yet reveals human evolution was... even more confusing ...than thought", researchers say.

"The DNA, which dates back some 400,000 years, may belong to ...an unknown human ancestor", say scientists

And well, 'erm
"Until now,
- the previous oldest human DNA known came from a 100,000-year-old Neanderthal"

But 'erm
"We think
-the ancestors of modern humans and Neanderthals diverged
- maybe ....some 500,000 years ago."
- The oldest fossils of modern humans found yet date back to about 200,000 years ago.

And, 'erm

Surprisingly, the mitochondrial DNA reveals this fossil shared a common ancestor not with Neanderthals,
- but ...with Denisovans,
- splitting from them about.... 700,000 years ago.

Which is 'erm

"... odd,
- since research currently suggests the Denisovans lived in eastern Asia,
- not in western Europe"

They conclude

Basically - in plain speak

- the crock of shit we have previously sold you.... about the evolotion of mankind
- just ....doesn't stack up
- and basically we are - losing the plot....on trying to make this discovery in some way link up with the - last crock of shit we sold you.......and the previous combined crock of it.

But here's our best shot at it.......and - I Quote

.......................................................................................................................

The researchers suggest a number of possible explanations for these findings.

First,
- this specimen may have been closely related to the ancestors of Denisovans.
- However, this seems unlikely,...... since the presence of Denisovans in western Europe
- would suggest an extensive overlap of territory with Neanderthal ancestors,
- raising the question of ......
- how both groups could ....diverge genetically... while overlapping in range.

Second,
- the Sima de los Huesos humans
- may be related to the ancestors of..... both Neanderthals and Denisovans.
- The researchers consider this plausible given the fossil's age,

- but they would then have to explain
- how two very different mitochondrial DNA lineages.... stemmed from one group,
- one leading to Denisovans, the other to Neanderthals.

Third,
- the humans found at the Sima de los Huesos... may be
- a lineage distinct from both Neanderthals and Denisovans
- that later... perhaps... contributed mitochondrial DNA to Denisovans.

However, this suggests this group
- was ...somehow.... both distinct from Neanderthals
- but also independently evolved several Neanderthal-like skeletal features.

Fourth,
- the investigators suggest a currently unknown human lineage
- brought Denisovan-like mitochondrial DNA into the Pit of Bones region,
- and possibly also to the Denisovans in Asia.


http://m.livescience.com/41679-oldest-human-dna-reveals-MYSTERIOUS-HOMID.html

.......................................................................................................................


When you are in a hole - the general advice is - "stop diggin'"

Unfortunately ....on this subject
- if TPTB "stop diggin' "....and come clean
- the whole house of cards ....would fall down

.....................(& I do mean - the whole lot)

Saturn6 - 07 Dec 2013 13:01 - 945 of 1034

Exactly Gaz - And all those events you describe and much, much more are the result of that battle between Jacob and Esau...Abrahams seed and Satans seed.

That is why they hate Christians and have to eradicate them from the earth. They wish to rebuild the Temple in Jerasalem and Satan says 'I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High."

If we take the words of Benjamin Disraeli, whose real name was 'Israel,' and who was a "damped," or baptized Jew, published his novel, CONINGSBY, in which occurs this ominous passage:

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."

And he went on to show that these personages were all Jews (Edomites = REDS) That also pre-date Esau and go all the way back to Solomon in 900BC where the plan was hatched for the universal conquest by Zion. And is represented today by the Pillars of Boaz and Jachin, which can be seen in all manner of unlikely places.

S.

Saturn6 - 07 Dec 2013 13:38 - 946 of 1034

Gaz - I wouldn't touch Bitcoin, much like all the hundreds and hundreds of on-line casino web-sites it probably emanates from the you know where?/ while pretending they are actually based somewhere like the Caribbean.

Also, On-line pharmaceuticals. On-line Forex trading (currency exchange). On-line binary options trading

S.

Saturn6 - 07 Dec 2013 13:41 - 947 of 1034

Gaz - That is a very nteresting cycle chart showing the culmination of the two time cycles at the current point ;-/

Good job I am rotating out of stocks and into energy and physical. But am hoping for an Xmas rally to cream a bit more, but stops are being tightened.

S.

Saturn6 - 07 Dec 2013 13:49 - 948 of 1034

And it is quite astonishing the depth and breadth of control they have attained in getting all the universities and learning faculties to push their gibberish nonesense into our psyche.

No doubt tvstk have been a help.

S.

gazkaz - 07 Dec 2013 23:17 - 949 of 1034

Sahara....yes, agreed

- Just read the whole Q & A on BITCOINS main page
- IMO FWIW
- no ifs buts or maybes - created by TPTB

Nobody else could create out of nothing - such an absurdly complex, nobody owns, nobody controlls..... "hey man - it's all concensus based"
- but multi encypted dude
- load of virtual, fiat "casino gambling chips"

AND...then
Super hype it
- to the extent, outlined in this ....link
(it's actually at the end a sales pitch....but well worth reading...as to whose getting into it......and suggestion ot the prospect....google, paypal and....a long list of etc's)

http://pacificrimcoins.com/content/edisons-revenge-dollar

Now who could engineer....that suggested level of take up - by big transnational corporations....wells fargo and money transfer !!
- plus integrate all the software
- into mainstream corporation useage
- ......globally

Hey man - it's open source dude....and concensus owned and run
- yeah man - it's..... by the people, for the people
- yeah man - it's ...Bolox
- alphabet agentcias fingerprints all over it



gazkaz - 07 Dec 2013 23:46 - 950 of 1034

Sahara
- yes the 13yr chart cycle (if accurate) is almost...precision.

Read a few things on cycles in the last 3months
- one was a book written a few decades ago on the.... cycles of investing
- the correlations were quite stunning....as to the cycles involved with.... various areas in the investment arena

Another was a two prt article titled.... something to the effect.... "Why ? - because it's not....our time"
- which dealt with....generational cycles

- effectively over a... 3 generations.... ie 75yrs (appx... a lifespan).... "Big" cycle
- not only ...will.... we experience X-Y-Z cycles within that time
- we will....also experience....R-S-T-V cycles ...within that cycle ...as well
(plus others)

It was - uncomfortably uncanny
(to the extent I read it again....twice more)

I may be mistaken - but from memory
- a few of those cycles... conclude in the next few years ...which fall
- in the - unpleasant category
(I think 2015....again...featured in the... more unpleasant category)

I think you are already - onboard - with cycles - having read many of your fibonacci posts
- it's quite fascinating how fibonacci ratios, golden ratios, and other sacred geometries
- keep on popping up ...again and again
- even down to... the realms of partcle physics.....right up to astronomy
(and most things inbetween)

gazkaz - 08 Dec 2013 00:01 - 951 of 1034

Sahara
Again a yes.

The history/origins of it , plus past and present use of the Tspook Inst, in pushing a united ...inter-connected theme ...throughout society
- throughout all levels of education, TV, Hollywood, computer games, adverts, MSM...and even the odd genuine politician who.. inavertently slips ...into..the gov
- does indeed demonstrate world control is already here ...in the hands of ..the few
(high single digit again - perhaps :o)

gazkaz - 08 Dec 2013 01:54 - 952 of 1034

JPM kick off Dec by - taking....delivery of 95.6% of .....all deliveries

Total Deliveries: 3,558

Total Stopped by JPM:... 3,400 or..... 95.6%
(ie JPM took/Received delivery)

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/5304/qed-ii

gazkaz - 08 Dec 2013 02:01 - 953 of 1034

Eric Sprott

The time is coming when we all realize that the banking system, because the assets are weak, some day ......there is going to be another bail-in.
- And the minute that bail-in gets reported,
- unlike ....the Cypriot bail-in, people will realize that it’s very, very risky having your money in banks.

The minute that happens .....it will trigger gold and silver,
- and I think that’s the next event..... to watch for
- some weakness, or some outright bail-in of ....another banking system.”

(So how close are we to that moment -would he say ?)

“It depends on... who ....the next country is .......and how big it is.
- If it was Spain I think it would be... too big.... for the ECB or governments to deal with.
- Maybe they can get away with.... Slovenia,
- who came out said their banks had...... a $5 billion shortfall.

But
- it looks today like nobody wants to write the check any more.
- The governments... don’t want to write these checks to support their banking system.
- So it could be any time.
We keep progressing with what they call in Europe ‘The Banking Resolution,’ which is really...... the ‘Bail-In Resolution.’

I think the BIS has set the tone.
They’ve said,

‘Well, it’s so simple to deal with a bail-in bank.
- We just close it ..on Friday,
- we make the depositors and creditors .....take the hit,
- and .....we open it on Monday.’

It’s fine for them (the BIS), but not so fine for the... depositors.
- And when it starts to reverberate that you don’t want to have deposits in a bank,
that’s when...... all hell is going to break loose.”

(Tick, Tick, Tick ....an' all)

Saturn6 - 08 Dec 2013 12:28 - 954 of 1034

Great stuff as usual Gaz...And with the likes of that Bitcoin pump it would seem the race is on to get the public interested and involved prior to the dump ;-/

There may be more upside to go and will likely peak as all and sundry are telling us what a great and secure money maker bitcoin is. '-'

Cycles are indeed relevant and cannot be ignored. Alexander Kondratiev is one to bear in mind and these waves are best taken when they coincide with other popular wave theories and overlaid with as you say, Fibonacci ratios.

This Kondratiev chart shows the projection of the $SPX to 2035...



S.

Saturn6 - 08 Dec 2013 21:00 - 955 of 1034

Silver probed the upperr resistance line but closed back down nside the downtrend channel. Point is the ctr line held on the big up candle and it plotted n 'Hrami' against the red candle. We now wish to see that 'Harami' confirmed on Monday and in doing so it will give us the break out of the downtrend channel.

If you scan the indicators in the lower panes you can see them perking up poised ready to blow, the same with RSI in the upper pane... ))



S.

Saturn6 - 08 Dec 2013 21:05 - 956 of 1034

If we look at the relationship of stocks to miners we can see they have gone 'parabolic' and holders of $Silver will be familiar with the outcome of such a move....

I'm not saying we are necessarily at the top just yet, but it doesn't look far off...



S.

Saturn6 - 08 Dec 2013 21:19 - 957 of 1034

Also this chart shows stiff resistance at the current ratio of Dow30 to Miners...



S.

Saturn6 - 08 Dec 2013 21:22 - 958 of 1034

Lets see if we can hold these areas on Silver this week and get the start of the upturn/?...



S.

Saturn6 - 08 Dec 2013 21:30 - 959 of 1034

Miners need to seriously rebuke this dip out of the 'Rectangle' and Bullish 'Wedge' forthwith...



S.

Saturn6 - 10 Dec 2013 09:18 - 960 of 1034

Silver has popped the downtrend after holding the 50% line of the large up-candle. It needs to overcome the resitance of the 20/MA, RSI, and lateral resistance before we get too exciteable...



Which if this is a 'Wave-3' as predicated then we should see some oomph appear in the sahpe of the advance and volume...



S.
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