bosley
- 20 Feb 2004 09:34
hangon
- 29 Feb 2008 17:04
- 25741 of 27111
Bioplastics - yes they are starch-based and the Co blurb suggests they start degrading in a matter of weeks....so I guess it depends on the cost and the use - If we are forced to have shrink-wrapping (packaging), then if it is biodegrradable that's fine - although I currently save my clear-plastics for use as insulation: - low-weight and zero-cost - can't be bad - but biodegradable is no use at all..
If shops want to be seen to be green we may see greaseproof paper wrapping and customers buying a Bag-for-life wither in propper plastic (to keep), or more likley to avoid being labeled a plastic-freak....folk will buy cotton, which is far stronger, and insulating etc.etc.
Whichever route Supermarkets take we shall soon see the demise of free bags ( Boo,Hoo I use them to chuck away rubbish), Ah you say Non Degradable - well I'm not convinced - any plastic I have in the garden, even boxes, and builders' bags appear to fall apart after a short while....I suspect thsi is another attempt to raise Tax...like the Speed-camera debate....very few are useful in safety management.
We could ban all plastic rubbish - like cheapo- plastic products that require being thrown away - by demanding they last 5-years (say) - this would mean that we buy once and keep. It looks as though there may be fewer plastic water-bottles....and a lot less water transported arround the world...wicked waste.
SEO - Let's hear it as it is.
...SEO,
hello...
greekman
- 29 Feb 2008 17:06
- 25742 of 27111
I wonder if the PR who released the RNS is a woman.
Last night my wife said I was the worlds best lover and always fully satisfied her (I wish).
I asked her why she hadn't told me that for some considerable time.
She replied that as I have been satisfying her for many years, she did not feel the need continually to repeat herself.
Nice to hear a bit of hype now and then though.
OK which story do you believe.
I'm a super stud or SEO have a budding contract.
Perhaps SEO have the same philosophy.
oblomov
- 29 Feb 2008 17:09
- 25743 of 27111
Even if, another big IF, the bioplastics side of SEO takes off - just how big can the market be compared to the Greenseal market we thought existed and thought we had invested in?
The predicted Greenseal market was massive and justified SP's in double figures - a few bioplastics bags doesn't have the same sort of potential. SEO are always going to be a small company.
Tonyrelaxes
- 29 Feb 2008 17:14
- 25744 of 27111
dawall
Exactly.
Nice to see old names again - and the same old sanguine, sardonic sence of humour.
required field
- 29 Feb 2008 17:24
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To invest in this : I will need a stiff drink first and then possibly things will make sense !
qeistba
- 29 Feb 2008 18:23
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I'll bet you the tit who sold 24m at 0.14p a few weeks back feels like an even bigger mammary tonight. I hope it was Masterson.
explosive
- 29 Feb 2008 19:11
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Last gulp of air I think, after all very behind its competitors in the carrier bag market. Do a google search and take a look, Stanelco nowhere http://www.thebincompany.com/biodegradable_plastic_bags.htm...... Tesco has also been doing a green point system for using your own bags for sometime also. Again oppertunity missed for Stanelco, so what are they doing I wonder... Probally converting Frogpak into nappies "Protects in more ways than one" I imagine...
tweenie
- 29 Feb 2008 21:24
- 25749 of 27111
You were'nt SHORT on SEO this week were you Explisive?
Anyway. Won't be buying any more- have enough...will continue to hold and hope the mm's run out of shares to sell soon .....even on no news the shares should head up to where they were before the NEW NEW management dropped their nascent bombshell.
have a good weekend
Spring is in the air.
10p by xmas.
:-)
BAYLIS
- 29 Feb 2008 21:39
- 25750 of 27111
Legislation
There are two separate UK Laws affecting this area: 1) The Packaging Waste Regulations which sets out the requirements for dealing with packaging waste and 2) The Packaging (Essential Requirements) Act which defines the requirements that all packaging must satisfy.
The Packaging Waste Regulations were incorporated into UK law in 1997. They are based on the European Directive for Packaging Waste. Currently 65% of all packaging must be recovered. It is not practical for individual companies to organise the recovery, and recycling, of their packaging waste. So to ensure that the UK conforms to the EU Directive a series of non-profit organisations were created to administer the 'PRN' scheme. PRNs (Packaging Return Notes) are issued (sold) to companies to enable them to fulfil their individual obligations under the directive. The revenue from the PRNs is used by the organisation issuing them (e.g. Valpak) to fund recovery and recycling schemes. Thus the UK is able to demonstrate that as a whole we are complying with the Directive.
A PRN at no cost - i.e. one where the material is exempt from any charge - can only be issued to companies if the material concerned falls within the definitions of recovery or recycling. Biodegradability is not recognised in the UK legislation as a definition of recoverability but Compostability is recognised as a basis for exemption.
Unusually the UK splits the execution of the Directive into two. It created the Packaging Waste Regulations, and then followed up with the Packaging (Regulations Essential Requirements). Other EU governments carried both sections together as one piece of law. Whilst biodegradability is not recognised in the Waste Regulations (see above) in the Essential Requirements, biodegradability and compostability are recognised and d2w meets those requirements.
The result of this is that in the UK d2w products can be sold as meeting the Essential Requirements but there is no exemption from the PRN charges for the time being i.e. until oxo-biodegradable plastics meet the relevant standard. In the EU, however, d2w products do not at present meet their equivalent of the Essential Requirements because they do not satisfy the Sturm Test which is the key part of the current EU standard and therefore are not formally acceptable for packaging (but see below). There are some exceptions e.g. in Italy where, in strictly legal terms, carrier bags are not 'packaging'.
For full detail see www.valpak.co.uk
BAYLIS
- 29 Feb 2008 21:40
- 25751 of 27111
Legislation
There are two separate UK Laws affecting this area: 1) The Packaging Waste Regulations which sets out the requirements for dealing with packaging waste and 2) The Packaging (Essential Requirements) Act which defines the requirements that all packaging must satisfy.
The Packaging Waste Regulations were incorporated into UK law in 1997. They are based on the European Directive for Packaging Waste. Currently 65% of all packaging must be recovered. It is not practical for individual companies to organise the recovery, and recycling, of their packaging waste. So to ensure that the UK conforms to the EU Directive a series of non-profit organisations were created to administer the 'PRN' scheme. PRNs (Packaging Return Notes) are issued (sold) to companies to enable them to fulfil their individual obligations under the directive. The revenue from the PRNs is used by the organisation issuing them (e.g. Valpak) to fund recovery and recycling schemes. Thus the UK is able to demonstrate that as a whole we are complying with the Directive.
A PRN at no cost - i.e. one where the material is exempt from any charge - can only be issued to companies if the material concerned falls within the definitions of recovery or recycling. Biodegradability is not recognised in the UK legislation as a definition of recoverability but Compostability is recognised as a basis for exemption.
Unusually the UK splits the execution of the Directive into two. It created the Packaging Waste Regulations, and then followed up with the Packaging (Regulations Essential Requirements). Other EU governments carried both sections together as one piece of law. Whilst biodegradability is not recognised in the Waste Regulations (see above) in the Essential Requirements, biodegradability and compostability are recognised and d2w meets those requirements.
The result of this is that in the UK d2w products can be sold as meeting the Essential Requirements but there is no exemption from the PRN charges for the time being i.e. until oxo-biodegradable plastics meet the relevant standard. In the EU, however, d2w products do not at present meet their equivalent of the Essential Requirements because they do not satisfy the Sturm Test which is the key part of the current EU standard and therefore are not formally acceptable for packaging (but see below). There are some exceptions e.g. in Italy where, in strictly legal terms, carrier bags are not 'packaging'.
For full detail see www.valpak.co.uk
BAYLIS
- 29 Feb 2008 22:00
- 25752 of 27111
14 march Preliminary results announcement
garyble
- 29 Feb 2008 22:12
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"
A tip of the hat to industrial group Stanleco for an inspired bit of bandwagon jumping. The current anti-plastic bag campaigns have prompted the company to puff itself as "the only bioplastics manufacturer headquartered in the UK". Quite why this needed to be a regulatory news announcement is unclear, but it seems to have worked. Stanleco is up 34% to - wait for it - 0.35p."
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/markets/2008/02/high_street_retailer_next_was.html
garyble
- 29 Feb 2008 22:22
- 25754 of 27111
Plus market volume = 84,289,000
hewittalan6
- 29 Feb 2008 22:24
- 25755 of 27111
Thanks for the explanation, BAYLIS, but I didn't understand it first time ;-)
Tonyrelaxes
- 01 Mar 2008 00:07
- 25756 of 27111
BAYLIS
More than one line is too much for my brain at the moment. (T'was a good night at t'local tonight)
I will read tomorrow.
Thanks.
oblomov
- 01 Mar 2008 07:35
- 25757 of 27111
Thanks BAYLIS - cant decide whether to read your post or War and Peace. I think I'll go for the latter, as I've limited time!
Mad Pad
- 01 Mar 2008 09:31
- 25758 of 27111
You on the marching powder again Relaxes?Whats this about lines and staying up well into the night!On a more seroius note isn't this ripe for a takeover now before the price heads North?
Mad Pad
- 01 Mar 2008 13:09
- 25759 of 27111
"Ban on plastic bags",shouldn't that read ban on "petroplastic" bags to differentiate from "bioplastic" bags.Just been to the farmers market here in Cork and got me vedge in a degradable plastic bags.Arn't they the ones that just break up into small pieces that then last forever?They can also be recycled{petroplastics} so I cant really see the point.Another huge issue here is that allthough plastic bag usage has dropped 90%since the introduction of the bag tax,the local authorities now charge by weight for domestic refuse collection so many people prefer to chuck their rubbish by the roadside so the litter problem is on the increase..so back to the drawing board.
Tonyrelaxes
- 01 Mar 2008 14:03
- 25760 of 27111
Its the old story Pad, you cant squeeze jelly to contain it.
Degradable = breaks down into lots of little bits of original material.
Bio-degradable = breaks down into earth/soil componants.
(I think)