Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Voting to hold a General Election

For: 522
Against: 13

The 13 MPs who voted against an early election

Here are the 13 MPs who voted against an early election.

Labour

Ronnie Campbell

Ann Clwyd

Paul Farrelly

Jim Fitzpatrick

Clive Lewis

Fional Mactaggart

Liz McInnes

Dennis Skinner

Graham Stringer

SDLP

Alasdair McDonnell

Independent

Lady Hermon

Natalie McGarry

Michelle Thomson

And the two tellers for the Noes were Margaret Ritchie and Mark Durkan, who are both SDLP MPs

Good ol Dennis :-)

Lol , about time he retired and Ann Clywd.

The eldest, oft-forgotten Chuckle Brother, Jimmy Chuckle, has married a woman 59 years his junior after finding love on social media.
The 85-year-old actor made a handful of appearances alongside brothers Barry and Paul on the hit BBC kids’ series ‘ChuckleVision’.
It has now emerged he married 26-year-old Amy Phillips last weekend in Southport.
Long may he chuckle..

corbyn the liar said today that he was sick of the big foreign companies using the uk for vast profits and paying very little ,
then he says he wants open borders well thick who corbyn those same companies like open borders so they can employ the cheap uneducated labour flooding the uk

CORBYN IS A COMPLETE STUPID SIMPLE DIMWIT

VOTE MAY AND LETS HAVE A GREAT UK AGAIN

Laurenrose,

What is your country of origin?

It can't be the UK.

They maybe cheap but they are no more uneducated then a lot of British job-seekers.

Fred1new - 20 Apr 2017 18:44 - 76447 of 76449

Laurenrose,

What is your country of origin?

It can't be the UK.

Don't tell him Solomon Blumstein

it has long seemed to me that british youth believes the nonsense that a degree of any kind equips you for the real world and that that world owes them a well paid living

on the other hand, many from eastern europe and elsewhere are not afraid (ashamed) to get stuck in and get their hands dirty, even if they have degrees from their own countries

From today's FT ......

Options market signals the need for Europe to change
Prices suggest populist movement has grown to a point where Brussels cannot ignore it


and, as i have said for months, it has taken uk to vote "out" for there to be any realisation in brussels for the need for fundamental change

i know fred thinks otherwise, but had uk voted to remain, all would have been quietly swept under the carpet

Post 76451,

If that is so, it is because of propaganda by various governments over the year.

It improved their employment figures to encourage "further" education.

But it is similar to the wealthy elite "buying" "internships" with the like of GSs and the expectations of obtained high paid "jobs". (For the boys.)

(Not necessarily ability, but contacts or, ?)

What I feel sorry about is the number of students leaving universities with "good" qualifications, etc. loaded with colossal debts which they have to repay from "lower" than expected incomes without a chance in hell of buying their own homes, or any sensible long-term research posts or equivalent due to short-term contracts without any guarantees.

I expect to see another "brain drain" period, as in the 70s, 80, 90s.

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76452,

Changes (rules and regulations) in any organisation are always required, but I prefer the changes of evolution than revolution.

That means if it is thought changes are necessary then it would be sensible to seek them by persuasion rather than brash storming out of a body.

Also, perhaps if I was in a minority of one in an argument I would reappraise my arguments and reasoning for wishing stated "changes".

Also, I would think it reasonable to reconsider the goals I wish to achieve and what are the reasons for the opposition.

I would not necessarily be wrong, but it might make me more hesitant.

The problem at present of "UKIP ", the right wing of the present tory party is that they are striving for what is good for "themselves" as individuals rather than what is good for society as a whole.

I think the EU with all its faults considers the long-term benefits of cooperation rather than the short term gains of competition.

(Nothing wrong with sensible competition.)


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Ps, must go back to concentrate on making my Wry Bread.

76453 - pretty much agree with what you posted in the first couple of paras .... nevertheless, british youth seems to lack the drive of many from abroad

We have tried to change it from within for many years without success.

Imo given a referendum then other countries would vote to leave too and this will probably happen further down the line.

Original concept was good but got hijacked by those wishing to see a United States of Europe.

Total joke when some tin pot region of Belgium can hold the rest of the EU to ransom over the trade deal with Canada , that's not democracy.

any lib or lab info pushed in our sreet will be collected and pushed back via their door

The problem students with good degrees face Fred is these days every Tom , Dick and Henrietta has got a degree of some sort.

Most of them wouldn't have got into uni 25 years ago but now we let anyone in and the country can't afford to pay for them like they used to so they get saddled with debt.

My daughter got accepted for one uni and had an offer in writing from them last Christmas Eve based on the qualifications she already has and she doesn't sit her A levels til June. In other words you don't even need A levels to get in these days.

Uni I am referring to is Gloucester although I am sure many others just care about arses on seats and not qualifications.

agreed Dil
had there been any meaningful movement from brussels b4 the referendum, then i suspect the result would have gone the other way
there wasn't and it didn't, so now let's get on with it and see what happens ....... even if the fallout will continue for decades

Must dash got to concentrate on the toast I'm cooking.

I can't see the EU lasting for more decades. Once the UK honey pot disappears, the Germans won't want to take up the slack despite its economic advantage on the others within the Eurozone. Its not for nothing that the Frau wants the UK's continuing contribution to be first on the agenda. Trump demanding increased spending on defence and a bunch of weaklings needing further financial support - that won't go down well in the fatherland when public services start to suffer. As here.