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The really useful silver thread (AG)     

squirrel888 - 12 Jun 2013 10:30

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gazkaz - 17 Dec 2013 00:56 - 981 of 1034

The Yanks/TPTB military arm - just rinse and repeat - the same old, same playbook

Iran’s Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif (Reuters / Ruben Spric)
- . Iran has halted fraught nuclear talks with the West, saying that Washington has ..
- acted contrary to the spirit of a ‘landmark agreement’ established last month.
- The US has widened its blacklists, adding further people and companies under current sanctions.

“The negotiations were halted by [the] Iranian delegation because of
- new American sanctions.
The Iranian negotiating team has halted the talks at this stage and are headed back to the capital due to America’s lack of commitment to the agreement,”
- Iranian news agency, Mehr, reported Iran’s chief nuclear negotiator, Abbas Araqchi, as saying.

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If you read the true history of WWII
- Japan tried to surrender - several times
- each time TPTB insisted on a condition that they knew - Japan would not/could not fulfil
- ie that the emporer stepped down
- thus backing Japan into a corner.....and forcing them to attack P/Harbour
(Which the president was aware was - en route - 6 weeks ahead of the actual attack)

As usual a - a forced falsie flaggy - to get the US - in the game
- and give oppenheimer the chance to try out the new toy on the unfortunate inhabitants of Hirosh & Naga.

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A sick sick game TPTB .....play.

gazkaz - 17 Dec 2013 01:01 - 982 of 1034

The all important words....minimum....total (bank Liabs)

Reuters) – Italy’s Economy Minister Fabrizio Saccomanni said on Tuesday that public intervention on troubled banks should come after inflicting losses on bondholders through
- a .....minimum bail-in of 8 percent of total bank liabilities

gazkaz - 17 Dec 2013 01:06 - 983 of 1034

A TIP from Iceland

In a landmark ruling, Reykjavík District Court sentenced
four former executives of Kaupthing Bank to between
- 3 and 5 1/2 years in prison
for financial crimes dating back.... to 2008.






I still prefer the "Ken Livingstone" suggestion
(As recently used in China/Iran)

Saturn6 - 17 Dec 2013 18:24 - 984 of 1034

Its just me Gaz - Re Bushels/...I take things too literally oftentimes. ((

Re Iceland ..."Quote" of the decade gaz - It should be flown from every yardarm and flagpole in the British realm, and alongside a set of gallows in every public sq ;-o

Things are definitely heating up re your post on Saccomanni. I think Europe is in for a re-shuffle early in the New Year perhaps, as the sovereign debt charade that everything is A OK, with all european banks and countries cannot remain much longer without exploding into a full blown crisis (grab for cash)/....



' The war cycles are turning up dramatically. From 2014 to 2020, they will wreak total havoc on Europe and the U.S.

And in Europe and Washington, our leaders are becoming more and more dictatorial, more fascist, more authoritarian.

Why? Because big Western socialist governments are dying and our leaders know it. So they are acting like caged animals and fighting back the only way they know how: By attacking their own citizens.

This is how Rome died. This is how the Byzantine empire fell. It’s how the maritime merchant-based Venetian times ended. And many other civilizations throughout history that have often been at the core of the global economy. '

http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/2014-the-first-year-of-the-21st-century-dark-age-56957

'They do not die by hyperinflation, as so many seem to think. They do not die by severe deflation either. Instead, they die by leaders turning against their own people to hunt down every penny of wealth they can find to tax and confiscate — all in the name of saving the government.'



If we look at the devaluation of the $USD we learn that $5000 in 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created on Jekyll island is now worth..\\\DRUM ROLL/// ...4.5 cents today, or maybe a bit less even.

As Voltaire correctly opined, "All paper eventually returns to its intrinsic value-zero." In 1871 the British economist David Ricardo noted, "Experience has shown that neither a state nor a bank ever had the unrestricted power of issuing paper money without abusing that power."

If Gold and Silver had no real worth then they would not be classed as 'precious'.

S.

MaxK - 17 Dec 2013 18:56 - 985 of 1034

gaz.

re: #917


They're pulling your pud....It's so wildly over the top as to be laughable.

Check out the depth they were supposed to be filming at, small problem, theres no light at that depth.

You cant swim about with an aqualung at those depths, and definitely not in your underpants.

The depth they are saying is knocking a 1000 atmospheres - sea level = 1


even paranoids have enemies :-)

gazkaz - 18 Dec 2013 01:23 - 986 of 1034

Hi Max
- in your underpants lol

- I have slept a few times since then :o) - but from memory as I rewound it at the time
- they didn't say they were actually diving at 14,000 feet off (wherever it was)- they said (from memory to the effect) "the floor" fell/dropped to 14,000 feet.
So you could be padding off the UK east coast, but you could factually say - and the floor falls to say 800 feet
(ie further out).

The documentary said - the guys filming equipment had been "damaged in the same storm" - & he couldn't film, so it's not actual footage.

Sacred geometry pyramids have - some stunning "unexplainable" properties
- the Ruskies have carried out significant & scientific research on them
- look up "Golods pyramids"
(interesting stuff)

Quarts crystals have energy focussing properties too - invention of radio as a simple well known example (The crystal radio)

Science - still can't explain magnetism (only it's effects)
- there is much that science can't explain
- and even more that science explains (but is a crock of ba-ba).

On the subject of pyramids - TPTB still stick to - 800 ton granite blocks - precision fitted with joints you can't get a razor blade into
- cut with stone hammers and copper chisels ?

I keep an open mind & hope you enjoy "Golods Pyramids"

gazkaz - 18 Dec 2013 02:02 - 987 of 1034

Sahara
- Yes "real history" isn't taught (in fact actively supressed).
- from the collapse of empires, the collapse of fiat right through to Darwinism

As you eloquently point out - "to know the future, we must first know the past"
(somebody famous must have said that).

Unfortunately once all physical wriiten books - have become only.... kindle digitals
- no hard copies of "True" history will exist
- and the digital versions - can be deleted and ammended/edited to suit TPTB of the day
(Much more easily than ....the all too frequent book burnings of the past) .

I think we are the golden generation - blessed with virtually unlimited access to information... and virtually all free.
- from ancient manuscripts to long out of print books
- thro' to lectures by some of the most brilliant people in there fields
all available at a few clicks of a keyboard via a google or youT search.

I think once current young I-tech obsessed generation get to be the "oldies" - hard printed information will be virtually obsolete
- and prior generations hard copy books....consigned to the dump as & when they die in the house clearances.

As film director Aaron Russo in an interview with - that man Jones - gives 1st hand account of his private conversions with one of the Rockerchappies
- "The elite work to a rolling - multi generational - plan"

Its's as plain as the nose on my face - that once everything has become digitised only, &...... deleted/edited/ammended
- the elite of the near future
- will once again become the Rulers/Priests/Stonechippers of the past - as the only possessors ....of true knowledge.

To know the future....you must first know the past....again perhaps.



Saturn6 - 18 Dec 2013 09:44 - 988 of 1034

Funny you should mention '- no hard copies of "True" history will exist
- and the digital versions - can be deleted and ammended/edited to suit TPTB of the day'

As in Orwells book he has a whole department dedicated to re-writing history. To eliminate the history of individuals who have vanished and to avoid the embarrasment to the regime if what they had predicted had failed to occur etc.

'Ingsoc' is a word Orwell describes as 'Newspeak' for English Socialism, the totalitarian government of Oceania in George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. Oceania is a union of the Americas and British Empire.

And although originating after the Socialist Party established control, the precise origin of the English Socialist Party (Ingsoc) cannot be established as the Party continually rewrites history. ((

See more here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingsoc

.Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past. was stated by Obrien in the novel 1984

I know this quote can be confusing. How do you change the past? but basically if you control the present you can control the past as is shown above by elliminating/changing the written history.

Most people can understand the written history may be altered but what about the memories of the population? To effectively illiminate history, you prevent people who don't know anything about it from ever finding out, and then you brainwash people possessing any personal recollections into believing whatever you want them to believe occurred in the past. Shimple!!

Maybe this is a better way to explain....if you can control the past, you can control the future, and if you control the present you can control the past.

I think it's safe to assume we are the proles...



S





gazkaz - 18 Dec 2013 16:37 - 989 of 1034

Cheers Sahara
- you have convinced me - it's not only a must have - it will go to the top of my pending 3 book backlog of - must reads.
- just ordered a hard copy from amazoon (whilst "they" still let us have 'em :o)

I think based on our current knowledge and purely on knowledge (ie not status), we might be towards top end "outers" (Tho' on staus I personally am more bottom end Prole :o)

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Came accross this last night & will not be to everyones taste,
- but interestingly he seems "plausible"
- a retired Colonel with - unrestricted "clearance".

I realise there are 3 important categories
1- TPTB Psy-Ops
2- Those on their way out with little to lose - who want to tell all (and ease their concience) - (eg Russo)
3 - those who just tell "the truth" come what may (eg CooperScneider etc)
(cat 3 usually easily identified - as die suddenly & "strange" or orchestrated circs)

Unfortunately virtually impossible to tell - a top notch Tavi cat 1 & a cat 2 apart tho'

See what you think - this is edited way down from around 35hrs
(the "other nine" connected ?)

He did die soon after writing the book and making this connected video.





If I had to choose from the Hundreds of Pyramids dotted around the planet

1 - perhaps being built by visiting ancestors of the Colonels version

2 - or orthodox - copper chisels, stone hammers, tree trunks/rope/slings and physical slave manpower etc

I can, at least, "without doubt" rule out option 2 :o)

For idle curiosity

Skip in 16mins into this video

(Just to see how BIG & how intricate and precisely fitted
- some of these stone blocks were...quite breathtaking
- these are from... pre....copper age)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g-g9sjBNuIw

Saturn6 - 19 Dec 2013 11:07 - 990 of 1034

Gaz - You will love it and will probably read it in two sittings. You will also come to apreciate the 'telescreens' are here now, but few realise it yet.

Are the Nephilim (Giants) returning? The great tribulation forewarned of in the bible may include such brutes.

Keep those interesting posts and links coming.

S.

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Saturn6 - 19 Dec 2013 11:09 - 991 of 1034

GDX - On the lower timeframe popped its downtrend channel pre FOMC statement, but failed and dropped sharply back into the downtrend and through the lower 'Bollinger Band'..

A lack of a rebound from outside the band to recover 50% of the large down candle would auger for a test of support at 20.5, a breakdown there would be bearish and take the miners index down into the teens...



S.

Saturn6 - 19 Dec 2013 11:21 - 992 of 1034

Remember Miners are below the larger 'Rectangle' shown here in blue horizontal lines, and outside the lower support of the Bullish 'Wedge' it needs to recover these areas to offset further declines...



But so far the retest of broken support now resistance is still bearishly in play esp as red volume increases - And if the reaction low at 20.57 is taaaken out on a closing basis taht would atrract more shorts...



S.

Saturn6 - 19 Dec 2013 11:32 - 993 of 1034

With two trading days left in the week we may see the 'Doji Harami' plotted last week confirmed. Which would predicate a bullish reversal as shown prior by the two projections, although one of them still plots a lower low to come, but the blue projection would form a Bullish Inv 'H&S' pattern, can you see it?...



Todays and tomorrows price action will give us more of an idea as to price direction but for now GDX is under the Kosh.

S.

Saturn6 - 19 Dec 2013 14:26 - 994 of 1034

This chart of the Dow relative to $Gold looks interesting. Does it get repelled at the channel resistance line, or bust through?/
...



S.

Saturn6 - 19 Dec 2013 14:55 - 995 of 1034

Comparing the Dow to $Silver ratio it seems to want to get above the lateral resistance, and if so the 'wedge' may paly out to its objective...



S.

Saturn6 - 19 Dec 2013 15:19 - 996 of 1034

Gold and Silver Britts seem to be tight at CDI, Luckily I have my order filled but they have no stock now, and cannot supply me Eagles direct as they have hit their quota for export to UK due to VAT, which isn't an issue as I always had them delivered through ViaMat.

HGM are down to the bone, but Bairds have stock.

S.

gazkaz - 19 Dec 2013 16:05 - 997 of 1034

Sahara

It does look from those charts that we are towards an inflection point.

The commercials having swung massively from net short to net long in under 12m is telling of something
- and I think T Fergussons metals report indicates their star player JPM has recently (I think technically called) stopped 90% plus of recent comex deliveries
- ie for - delivery TO - their own... house account
(which again seems telling....of something)

I suppose they could - take delivery....or I suppose...dump the paper back on the market...and drop the price a tadge or so (understatement)

The link I gave to an interview of the largest Swiss refiner....quoting that in the summer...there was no bullion supply to be had at all for refining and it being.. the first time in 35yrs... in the business - that it had ever happened
- seems to be telling too.

The huge volume of LBMA 400oz bars being smelted into to the more eastern acceptable 1kg bars....seems to both imply a drain from the LBMA and also
- an attitude perhaps of
- who cares about retaining/or cost incurring LBMA "good delivery" bar status....the premiums are in the east...and they & their 1Kg's bars are the future.
(& LBMA may soon just be quaint history)

Saturn6 - 19 Dec 2013 16:12 - 998 of 1034

One would hope so Gaz - But I need to roll more positions into physical Gold and Silver so would welcome one more dip in PM's and one more rally in stocks. But I think $1200 on Gold could be a key support here.

When Stocks to Miners peak I expect a severe correction...



One can clearly see 5-waves from Oct/11 lows and if you scruitnise the 5th-wave you can now see the fractal 5-waves of that wave.

S.

Saturn6 - 19 Dec 2013 16:22 - 999 of 1034

Gaz - There definitely seems to be a supply squeeze. CID have no Gold or Silver Britts whatsoever even for collection from Germany. They say they have Silver eagles, but she had to go and check and get back to me, so something is odd as there is no Silver coin page on their site either.

Bullion by post seem to have stock but are short of Eagles.

S.

gazkaz - 19 Dec 2013 16:41 - 1000 of 1034

Joining some more of the dots (The way I see 'em)

More ducks being lined up.

As Aaaron Russo pinted out - in his pte conv with a Rockerchappie
- they work on a rolling multi generational plan towrds their....goal.

Colonel Wes Clarke is on record (speech on youT) that he saw a memo (I think in 2001 ish) at the Pentagoonal - outlining the plan for "the conflicts" in 7 middle east countries
- The final one being - Saudi
......................................................................................................................

So planning ahead - they need a "reason" to go after Saudi
- which as many of us know has been sat in the.... pending tray
(since 9-11)

So her's the foundational dot...that begins the longer term move towrds ...
- getting them towards the cross hairs

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911 Commission Report

A pair of lawmakers
- who recently read .......the redacted portion... say

- they are “absolutely shocked”

- at the level of.... foreign state..... involvement in the attacks.

So they’ve proposed Congress pass a resolution asking President Obama
- to declassify the entire 2002 report

President Bush...... inexplicably ....censored 28 full pages... of the 800-page report
- It was kept secret... and remains so today

http://nypost.com/2013/12/15/inside-the-saudi-911-coverup/

Wish I could place a bet on.....
"at the level of.... foreign state..... involvement in the attacks"
- being Saudi

And Sahara
the answer as to why
"President Bush...... inexplicably ....censored 28 full pages... of the 800-page report"

Was of course fully laid out .....in the report you pencilled in for "weekend reading" (& the rest :o)

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Just the dots as I see 'em tho'

And perhaps... another
- time is getting short towards "The Goal" objective date
- as multi-generational seems to be...getting crammed into a shorter and shorter timescale
(& they are already behind... on Egypt & Syria)
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