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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

iturama - 10 Jan 2019 09:55 - 11381 of 12628

They are probably going to teach the French how it is done. Part of our overseas aid program.
Fred, I would touch anything built by Jaguar Land Rover, so they can sell as much as they care to China. Only daft footballers and mothers on the school run use a Range Rover.

Cerise Noire Girl - 10 Jan 2019 10:01 - 11382 of 12628

Fred,

It's OK. 11371, I remember now.

iturama - 10 Jan 2019 10:06 - 11383 of 12628

Trotters Trading Company.

Cerise Noire Girl - 10 Jan 2019 10:07 - 11384 of 12628

Sir Keir: Extending Article 50 appears ‘inevitable’

Shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer has told MPs that extending Article 50 and keeping Britain in the European Union for longer “may well be inevitable now”.

Sir Keir said the government’s handling of negotiations had left the UK in a position where the only option appeared to be to extend Article 50 and cancel the March 29th deadline set by Theresa May.

The Labour frontbencher also said it was not “viable” for the UK to crash out without a deal.

Speaking in the Commons, he said: “There is a question of extension of Article 50 and that may well be inevitable now given the position that we are in, but of course we can only seek it because the other 27 have to agree.”

He questioned whether the EU would have any “appetite” to renegotiate even if Article 50 was extended.

He said: “I have to say and, with regret, I genuinely think that the way the Government has gone around the negotiations has undermined a lot of the goodwill that otherwise would have been there.”

Sir Keir, on a no deal, added: “I actually genuinely think we can’t do it on 29 March this year. It’s simply not viable, for so many practical reasons.”

The comment prompted father of the house Ken Clarke to ask whether Labour would work with Tory Remainers to ensure a “form of customs union and sufficient regulatory alignment to keep open borders” with the EU.

“We’re going to have to have a discussion, I think next week starting after Tuesday about where we go next and we’re all going to have to enter that in the right spirit,” Sir Keir said.

Labour MP Owen Smith said there could be no Labour Brexit as it would betray the party’s fundamental values.

“There is no jobs-first Brexit,” he said. “No Labour Brexit, no better Brexit, I gather the latest iteration is a sensible Brexit - well, there’s no sensible Brexit either.

“Brexit will eat the jobs, eat the capital - political and financial - that an incoming Labour government will need to implement the radical programme which my friends on the front bench are rightly advocating.

“Any Brexit is irreconcilable with Labour’s traditional social democratic mission and its twin foundations of providing equality and freedom.”

Labour MP Ian Murray, a supporter of the Best for Britain campaign for a second referendum, said: “This is a hugely significant moment, marking the first time a shadow cabinet member has acknowledged that the shambolic Brexit process means the March 29 deadline is unrealistic.

“This is entirely the fault of Theresa May, who has failed to strike a deal that is acceptable to either Remainers or Leavers, and has delayed the vote in Parliament until the last possible minute.

“With the prime minister’s deal destined to be defeated next week, there is now an opportunity to stop Brexit for good through a people’s vote.”

Martini - 10 Jan 2019 10:34 - 11385 of 12628

And Ford are cutting jobs in Europe .... yet another example of the effects of Brexit O and a plague of losusts has been sighted in the English Channel yet another effect of Brexit. It doesn’t stop!

iturama - 10 Jan 2019 11:20 - 11386 of 12628

Keir Starmer, Owen Smith and Ian Murray, what fine examples of liebours best. No wonder Corbyn was considered the man to lead that mob.
But leave it a bit and she will edit that drivel into something sensible. Without remembering of course. Amazing how people that don't live in this country are so concerned about our welfare.

Fred1new - 10 Jan 2019 11:24 - 11387 of 12628

I believe this is on the wall at No 10.

KidA - 10 Jan 2019 11:57 - 11388 of 12628


Cerise Noire Girl - 09 Jan 2019 16:21 - 11369 of 11387
Anyone know where to buy anti-Brexit car stickers?

:o)

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There was a cuckold talking about them yesterday, may be on iPlayer.

Fred1new - 10 Jan 2019 12:03 - 11389 of 12628

Have Dil, IT and Martinis' pin-up geniuses disappeared or just jumped?

Martini - 10 Jan 2019 12:10 - 11390 of 12628

Answer my question please 11379

Stan - 10 Jan 2019 12:27 - 11391 of 12628

Johnson and Mog I remember them... some sort of Comedy Tory double act.

Fred1new - 10 Jan 2019 12:50 - 11392 of 12628

Martini,

Try engaging the few remaining grey cells which you may have and use them to think for yourself.

Fred1new - 10 Jan 2019 12:54 - 11393 of 12628

Briefly, when sailing in choppy seas I usually prefer to staying on the ship rather than clambering into a rowing boat and hoisting a distress flag and hoping to be picked up.

Martini - 10 Jan 2019 12:57 - 11394 of 12628

So you don’t know. Pompous fool.

Fred1new - 10 Jan 2019 13:00 - 11395 of 12628

Tut, tut.

Cerise Noire Girl - 10 Jan 2019 14:17 - 11396 of 12628

iturama - 10 Jan 2019 11:20 - 11386 of 11395

'Amazing how people that don't live in this country are so concerned about our welfare.'


No seriously, I'll be delighted to watch you and the other rabid gammon rot on the compost heap you've made for yourselves.

But, I am concerned about the welfare of your fellow Brits, particularly those who have chosen to live and work in other EU countries, free of prejudice and British xenophobia. I know people who are seriously concerned about their future post-Brexit - to the extent that it's making them ill. They're at the mercy of an incompetent government that shows a total lack of compassion, who think it's acceptable to use their people as pawns, using ridiculous scaremongering to get a crap deal through, and being egged on by extremists within their own party who only care about themselves, and blame others for their own miserable lives. I'm sure those same people will be affronted when they find their fortnight in Benidorm costs more!

Fortunately, most of those Brits living and working in other EU countries still have a vote.

cynic - 10 Jan 2019 14:21 - 11397 of 12628

ford are cutting jobs because of loss of sales in CHINA
nothing at all to do with brexit

Fred1new - 10 Jan 2019 14:52 - 11398 of 12628

That means we can export more to China to cover up what we may lose in exports to the EU?

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CNG,

Do you mean Roast Pork on Sauerkraut?

Cerise Noire Girl - 10 Jan 2019 14:56 - 11399 of 12628

That'd be a disservice to sauerkraut, Fred.

KidA - 10 Jan 2019 15:08 - 11400 of 12628

Gammon and Lard; new BBC retro cookery programme presented by Redman and BeerD.
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