Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Edit,

What a poser he is!

Can't seem to see the last two posts for some odd reason. Have I missed anything important?

Nor did I. Thank technology.

Isaacs,

Perhaps, your medication.

If you want to see Gordon Brown top a poll it would be ' Who is the worst Prime Minister we have had'
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The Times's Top 50 Prime Ministers
Name Party Term in office The Times Rating [8] Matthew Parris Rating [9] Peter Riddell Rating [10] Ben MacIntyre Rating [11]
1 Robert Walpole Whig 1721-1742 9 14 16 7
2 Spencer Compton, 1st Earl of Wilmington Whig 1742-1743 50 51 42
3 Henry Pelham Whig 1743-1754 29 19 34 20
4 Thomas Pelham-Holles, 1st Duke of Newcastle-upon-Tyne Whig 1754-1756 41 40 32 41
5 William Cavendish, 4th Duke of Devonshire Whig 1756-1757 44 35 44 47
6 Thomas Pelham-Holles, 1st Duke of Newcastle-upon-Tyne Whig 1757-1762 41 40 32 41
7 John Stuart, 3rd Earl of Bute Tory 1762-1763 46 44 49 40
8 George Grenville Whig 1763-1765 48 51 48 39
9 Charles Watson-Wentworth, 2nd Marquess of Rockingham Whig 1765-1766 32 30 42 38
10 William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham Whig 1766-1768 16 25 14 18
11 Augustus FitzRoy, 3rd Duke of Grafton Whig 1768-1770 49 42 50 49
12 Frederick North, Lord North Tory 1770-1782 50 49 37 44
13 Charles Watson-Wentworth, 2nd Marquess of Rockingham Whig 1782 32 30 42 38
14 William Petty, 2nd Earl of Shelburne Whig 1782-1783 26 29 41 5
15 William Cavendish-Bentinck, 3rd Duke of Portland Whig 1783 39 27 43 37
16 William Pitt the Younger Tory 1783-1801 4 12 5 3
17 Henry Addington, 1st Viscount Sidmouth Tory 1801-1804 39 36 39 36
18 William Pitt the Younger Tory 1804-1806 4 12 5 3
19 William Grenville, 1st Baron Grenville Whig 1806-1807 43 39 40 35
20 William Cavendish-Bentinck, 3rd Duke of Portland Whig 1807-1809 39 27 43 37
21 Spencer Perceval Tory 1809-1812 36 38 47 33
22 Robert Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool Tory 1812-1827 19 22 22 15
23 George Canning Tory 1827 8 36 23
24 Frederick John Robinson, 1st Viscount Goderich Tory 1827-1828 37 52 51
25 Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington Tory 1828-1830 24 18 30 17
26 Charles Grey, 2nd Earl Grey Whig 1830-1834 8 9 10 6
27 William Lamb, 2nd Viscount Melbourne Whig 1834 25 26 21 32
28 Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington Tory 1834 24 18 30 17
29 Robert Peel Conservative 1834-1835 6 6 8 8
30 William Lamb, 2nd Viscount Melbourne Whig 1835-1841 25 26 21 32
31 Robert Peel Conservative 1841-1846 6 6 8 8
32 John Russell, 1st Earl Russell Whig 1846-1852 21 15 29 14
33 Edward Smith-Stanley, 14th Earl of Derby Conservative 1852 18 23 19 16
34 George Hamilton-Gordon, 4th Earl of Aberdeen Whig 1852-1855 42 41 31 43
35 Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston Tory 1855-1858 11 20 11
36 Edward Smith-Stanley, 14th Earl of Derby Conservative 1858-1859 18 23 19 16
37 Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston Liberal 1859-1865 11 20 11
38 John Russell, 1st Earl Russell Whig 1865-1866 21 15 29 14
39 Edward Smith-Stanley, 14th Earl of Derby Conservative 1866-1868 18 23 19 16
40 Benjamin Disraeli Conservative 1868 10 7 6 9
41 William Ewart Gladstone Liberal 1868-1874 3 4 2 4
42 Benjamin Disraeli Conservative 1874-1880 10 7 6 9
43 William Ewart Gladstone Liberal 1880-1885 3 4 2 4
44 Robert Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury Conservative 1885-1886 11 10 12 25
45 William Ewart Gladstone Liberal 1886 3 4 2 4
46 Robert Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury Conservative 1886-1892 11 10 12 25
47 Gladstone Liberal 1892-1894 3 4 2 4
48 Archibald Primrose, 5th Earl of Rosebery Liberal 1894-1895 45 46 46 50
49 Robert Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury Conservative 1895-1902 11 10 12 25
50 Arthur Balfour Conservative 1902-1905 30 28 38 31
51 Henry Campbell-Bannerman Liberal 1905-1908 22 24 26 30
52 H. H. Asquith Liberal 1908-1916 11 21 9 26
53 David Lloyd George Liberal 1916-1922 2 2 3 2
54 Bonar Law Conservative 1922-1923 34 47 35 24
55 Stanley Baldwin Conservative 1923-1924 14 20 11 13
56 Ramsay MacDonald Labour 1924 33 48 33 29
57 Stanley Baldwin Conservative 1924-1929 14 20 11 13
58 Ramsay MacDonald Labour 1929-1935 33 48 33 29
59 Stanley Baldwin Conservative 1935-1937 14 20 11 13
60 Neville Chamberlain Conservative 1937-1940 35 45 28 52
61 Winston Churchill Conservative 1940-1945 1 1 1 1
62 Clement Attlee Labour 1945-1951 7 5 7 22
63 Winston Churchill Conservative 1951-1955 1 1 1 1
64 Anthony Eden Conservative 1955-1957 47 43 45 48
65 Harold Macmillan Conservative 1957-1963 15 17 13 21
66 Alec Douglas-Home Conservative 1963-1964 36 32 27 34
67 Harold Wilson Labour 1964-1970 20 33 17 19
68 Edward Heath Conservative 1970-1974 23 13 18 46
69 Harold Wilson Labour 1974-1976 20 33 17 19
70 James Callaghan Labour 1976-1979 27 31 24 27
71 Margaret Thatcher Conservative 1979-1990 5 3 4 10
72 John Major Conservative 1990-1997 28 16 23 28
73 Tony Blair Labour 1997-2007 16 34 15 12
74 Gordon Brown Labour 2007-2010 36 52 25 45

Can you really compare Robert Walpole , 1721 to 1742 to say PM's of 1900 to 2010 ?
For a start how strong were trade union's in 1700's compared to the 1960's

Interesting that even John Major comes out better than Brown and pretty close to Blair. Macmillan comes out better than all Labour Prime minister except Clement Attlee. All the Labour Prime Ministers come out badly except Clement Attlee. If you looked at Labour leaders the situation would be far worse. With Ed Millpeed, Labour seems to trying to get the worst leader of all tmes for any party.

James Callaghan in front of Maggie ?

Interesting to see if Cameron and the coalition last another 12 months.

I gave him 18mths from the election, but it seems many liberals and a smattering of conservatives want to be out of the coalition already.

I guess with the amount of civil unrest, lawlessness which will occur over the next 1-2 years associated with his failed economic policies this country will be asking for a bail out from the Europe.

Already asking France to help with the holiday cruisers.


If this happens I would think Libs will be in the wilderness and tories out of power for another 10-15 years.

I might as I suggested 2years ago the last election was a good one to lose.

Anyway interesting to watch George and Dave formulating policies as they do the Rumba, i.e. one foot forward and two back.

Problem is that they are out of tune and can't read the score.

Have a nice evening.

PS.

Anybody know the bookies' odds on another election in 12 months time.

2015 or later 13/8
2014 2/1
2011 9/2
2013 11/2
2012 7/1
2010 14/1

14/1, who's that with?

Forgotten. I think Ladbrokes was 20/1

Even better, thanks.

Paddy Power is 25/1

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=280943

Keep going -):

Ladbrokes and Extrabet 50/1

So Ireland looks like it is to be forced to accept a rescue (sic) by the Eurocrats. George Osborne has stated that, 'The UK will stand by its commitment to contribute to the rescue (for rescue read 'bale out'). The reasons given by European ministers and our own government is that, no European Country can afford to allow any member of the EU to fail as we would all suffer. I am sure they are right re the suffering, but wrong on not allowing any member country to fail. The EU is as dead as the proverbial Dodo. The problem is no one in any EU position of power has the nerve to admit it. Delaying the inevitable, is going to make the end a prolonged death by a thousand cuts.
I look at this as a parallel to the Monty Python, dead parrot sketch. The parrot as we all know was 'very dead' but the shopkeeper (Micheal Palin) won't have any of it, no matter how many times Mr Praline (John Cleeas) demonstrates just how dead it is.
I liken myself and many others to John Cleese stating the 'bleedin obvious', with the EU ministers playing the part of the shopkeeper trying endlessly to persuade him that it is alive and well.
Why are we going to throw good money after bad. If the EU was a company, who would be daft enough to consider buying into it, especially as it's account have not been signed off for the last 13 years.

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