Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Even better, thanks.

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Ladbrokes and Extrabet 50/1

So Ireland looks like it is to be forced to accept a rescue (sic) by the Eurocrats. George Osborne has stated that, 'The UK will stand by its commitment to contribute to the rescue (for rescue read 'bale out'). The reasons given by European ministers and our own government is that, no European Country can afford to allow any member of the EU to fail as we would all suffer. I am sure they are right re the suffering, but wrong on not allowing any member country to fail. The EU is as dead as the proverbial Dodo. The problem is no one in any EU position of power has the nerve to admit it. Delaying the inevitable, is going to make the end a prolonged death by a thousand cuts.
I look at this as a parallel to the Monty Python, dead parrot sketch. The parrot as we all know was 'very dead' but the shopkeeper (Micheal Palin) won't have any of it, no matter how many times Mr Praline (John Cleeas) demonstrates just how dead it is.
I liken myself and many others to John Cleese stating the 'bleedin obvious', with the EU ministers playing the part of the shopkeeper trying endlessly to persuade him that it is alive and well.
Why are we going to throw good money after bad. If the EU was a company, who would be daft enough to consider buying into it, especially as it's account have not been signed off for the last 13 years.

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Hi Mnamreh,

You ask, 'One problem arising though is what to do with all the useless tossmongers thrown off the Euro Gravy Train. Any suggestions?

Yes, plenty but none of them suitable to be mentioned here. I don't want a MoneyAm ban.

regards Greek.

Some of the biggest winner's of the gravy train is organised crime such as the Mafia who have politicians on their payroll .

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Tony Blair for Euro President ..... if he could find the time. Gordon Brown is out of a job saving the European union would be easy after saving the World

Greek.

They could rejuvenate the tory cabinet with them.

Don't write the EU off. Britain may go there with a begging bowl yet.

N,

Cameron's attempt to put the previous tory party photographers and film maker on the public purse, seems to me to be a form of corruption or an abuse of public funds. Good god out of my taxes.

It would seem to me that the present prime minister, would have been aware of this situation and may have even nodded at another cost cutting activity.

This was a blatant action (abuse of position) and very similar to some acts of EU corruption, or tickets on the gravy train.

Of course, it is brushed aside by many of the passengers.

Ah well, such is life.

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N,

You have just complicated what I thought was simple.

8-)

Perhaps, it is because some at a very early age cease to be allowed think and then to make and act on their own decisions. i.e. they have to conform to survive in their environment and then frightened to dissent, based on that which has been integrated, or indoctrinated into them at a very early age.

To me, there is a tremendous difference between knowledge and intelligence, but is would be nice to be knowledgeable and intelligent.


(But, it is reasonable to question what you know, as this "knowledge base" is sometimes based on false beliefs.)

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Could not believe what I read a few days ago. Pakistan who as we know are a country with sufficient money to be a nuclear power and run a space program, have asked that any further foreign aid payments given by Britain are made via cash transfers. They have also stated that they think it is totally wrong that we should have any say in where that money is spent.
To me this sounds totally ridiculous, but no doubt, quite rightly the Pakistan Government think that we will agree to this suggestion/demand.
The thing is I was totally bemused as to why they should demand this change. Of course it can't be so that any existing paper trail, no matter how flimsy, disappears altogether, allowing them to spend an even larger percentage of such aid on corruption, can it!
Also much of this monetary aid, is according to previous reports, being given to the tribal areas, due to most such tribes being in need. Same report gave reasons for why terrorism, especially the Al-Qaeda training camps are allowed to flourish in the remote tribal areas. Several tribal elders stated that, they would never inform on Al-Qaeda members, as many are connected by blood ties to the same tribes.
So one also wonders how much aid money is going to support such groups. How many of out troops are being killed, by bullet and bomb, paid for by the UK tax payer.
No wonder we as a country are the laughing stock/soft touch of the world.
How much longer are the British public going to stand for such nonsense.

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No, I do not feel we have reached that point yet. What I am advocating is pressure within the law. I often contact the media, expressing my views, as well as contacting MPs on differing subjects. Whilst the MPs allowances inquiry (criminal activity) was ongoing, I wore a 'T' shirt with the words, 'Our MPs are institutionally morally corrupt. I often wore this when attending our local speakers corner, where several MPs, both already standing and potential candidates meet with the public. Many commented, all to the positive when they read the message.
I feel that far too many people in this country are content to just keep quite. We need far more people to stand up and be counted.
There is always a time when/if things get so bad, that matters have to be taken further, and I am not saying, things such as the increased student fees, but if things ever get to the stage of a dictatorial, oppressive state such as for example, China, Burma and many Muslim ruled countries, where actual force is the only route open to the populous.
Everyone has their limits.

Having pillaged India, Pakistan, and the rest of the commonwealth for long periods, it would seem reasonable to repay a little occaisonally.

The nuclear programmes would suggest to me thinking of the future wealth and economy of the country, rather than being cap in hand to other more "wealthy "countries"" in the future.

Thus enabling them to lift some of those countries populace to "decent" standards of living. (I have written before people with full bellies prefer to sleep than go to war.)


"It is a pity that Maggie and the present crew didn't have the ability to think of the long term future, rather than the bottom line of short term gains and appeal of strutting the stage to its foolowers. What happened to the industrial base. Is the same sort of result going to occur in education.)



Anyway, it is again interesting another form of pillaging is likely to be happening again, i.e. allowing the educated and professional classes to enter this country to an expense of their own. (That's OK. for now, but you can B. off when Britain no longer "needs" you. By the way we won't pay you as much as you fellows in the "work place".

I wonder why that when they go home they are disgruntled and antagonistic to Britain.


Perhaps. if we had been more sensible when we "controlled", or "ruled" some of these countries and help them provide decent infrastructures, we may not have generated so much hate.

Ah, well.

By that thinking we should be asking the Scandinavians and Italians et al to compensate us for their pillaging. It may have been much further into history but it nevertheless happened. But wait! maybe we should thank them for the civilisation they brought with them. What have the Romans ever done for us?

Did we not benefit our colonial outposts at all? No governance, no roads, railways, agriculture?