Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

mnamreh - Probably naive, I don't know, I would like to think otherwise. Guys of my generation ie educated in England in the sixties, were never really taught History of World War 1 and 2, probably it was a wee bit to early, we were taught rightly or wrongly Henry v111, Elizabeth 1 etc and the Great British Empire. No mention was made of the English aberrations (alleged, even though it was in reality Scottish Cival War) of the Highland clearances. And the Irish Potato Famine. Today I am led to believe that World One 1 and 2 are part of the school curriculam and as such are younger generation are more aware and hopefully will treat the Nick Griffins of this world with the contempt they deserve! Perhaps I live in hope!

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CC*

If Fred was not remotely significant, he wouldn't be mentioned.

Try again

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A very long time ago, I clipped Kinnock across the ear.

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I think a lot of the problems in our society at the moment are traceable back to Thatcher and her period of greed and moral decay.

The "no such thing as society" speech, prepared for, and allowed loose, some of the more corrupt members Banks, the Financial Sectors of the economy.

The ethos was a concentration on short term personal gain.

It put on a pinnacle, Greed and Self Advancement at the Expense of Others.

It was a period during which, the possession or acquirement of an object, was thought to be more important than the intrinsic values of the object.

The must have society or the look what I have got society, which has driven us for the last 20 years. This philosophy has led to the economic chaos we have now.

I think Cameron and his cronies with their absence of real economic inclusive policies will push us further and faster down this route. Leading to increasingly fragmented society and with it subsequent lawlessness.

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PS. CC insignificant may be the word you wanted. Look it up in a dictionanary.

I might even agree to that meaning.

mnamreh - Pretty desperate stuff, you sound seriously disillusioned! Long Ftse early doors + 20 take profits :o))))

Fred - You said It :o)))

Chris C,

I don't have many false beliefs about myself.

Do you any about yourself?
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mnamreh,

Have a look at this paper.

It was written in the 1930s.

I gave it to one of my tory friends six months ago and he hasnt spoken to me since.

In Praise of Idleness By Bertrand Russell

http://www.zpub.com/notes/idle.html

If you do read it, you can help CC with the big words. 8-)

Fred - Unlike your usual pathetic self will not rise to your insults! When is your next meeting of your Birmingham 'piss up'. Would love the opportunity to meet you in person and discover 'are you real' :o)

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CC,

To me, you appear to be becoming more and more confused.

I doubt that us meeting will be pleasurable for either of us.

Fred As suspected NO SENSE OF HUMOUR!

Surely all that has ever been needed is someone to organise more than 14,000 people (their current membership) to join the BNP and vote to disband? Or have I missed the point?

Kayak,

They could "reform" under a different name.

I don't like them, or what they possibly stand for, but I think as long as they non-violent and don't instigate or promote violence, to my mind they have a right to be and allowed to view their opinions.

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CC. Not your sense of "humour". Which reminds me of remnants of school ground ganging up, or attempts at bullying. Ie. stunted behaviour.

I could be wrong.

I agree that I would let them be, just surprised that no one's done it, even if futile in terms of them regrouping. Perhaps they retain a veto over the membership? That would surely be difficult to justify in the case of 14,000 non-whites if they decided now to join.

I have not responded to Fred and his comments recently, but I feel that it is time to remind him of honesty.
He has been, at any moment, wanting to bring in the fact that the Camereon bill for the wisteria cutting(as part of having his house painted) and Osbourne and his taxi bill.
I wish to remind him that the biggest display of lack of honesty was from G Brown Esq. our Prime Minister, who after making a promise to go to the electorate, refused to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, giving the reason is that it was not a constitutional change.There are a great many people who will not forgive him for that.That piece of dishonesty is greater than anything else given by a poltician in my
memory.l
I do know that Camereon has now said he will not put the question of the treaty to the country if he is elected although he made same promise, but I agree with this as the treaty has now been ratified and what good would it do to spend all those millions for a pointless exercise.

Stable, Check the thread back for information about the necessity for G Brown to have a National Election to validate his position.

Nor the necessity to have a referendum on the Lisbon treaty.
It may have been the wish of a minority of disillusioned tories for him to do either or both.

Cameron in spite of his rhetoric must have been personally relieved about the latter decision,

The split over Europe is still deep in the bowels of the tory party and will probably be revived as a problem issue for them. Especially if the little
Englanders are elected in any number.

Isn't strange how quick Cameron stated that he would not challenge the signing of the Lisbon Treaty.

If the signing was unconstitutional as you state, Cameron's statement does not say much for his honesty.

nmamreh,

Your post of 0930 yesterday, I agree with everything you say. As to the comment, 'If it were easy, don't you think they would have sorted it out by now?

Not saying it is easy, but surely it also can't be that difficult, and as most of us except the more standards are allowed to slide the more difficult it is to get them back. All it takes is a politician with guts and not just hype. The problem with the present lot, and the oppositions, it is a struggle to find anyone of sufficient calibre.

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Having to report to your "children" what you do as a "day's work", or for a living and its value to society can be very salutary.

Everybody has good in them, but sometimes they it very hard to find where they have hidden it!

"Perhaps modern society has created a situation whereby humans are TOO sophisticated (in the complex sense of that word), for their own good and that reverting to fundamentals might be called for."

A most wholeheartedly agree.

Taken from a consultation dreaft for my area....

Northamptonshire Fire and Rescue

The County Council has a statutory duty to ensure efficient and effective fire and rescue provision and that the service contributes effectively to the wider community safety agenda. New developments place additional demand for fire and rescue resources and therefore the County Council have developed a clear and transparent basis for seeking to mitigate this impact.

Contributions are based on an activity factor i.e. the percentage of time spent on a particular activity. 49% of fires attended by the service are residential with the remainder occurring in non-residential developments. The County Council will produce a capital programme to show where the money will be expended.

The main capital cost is to provide sufficient fire station capacity. There are currently 22 fire stations in Northamptonshire, each covering on average 12,476 dwellings. In order to maintain the current level of service, for each additional 12,476 dwellings, an additional fire station, fully equipped, is required.

The contribution towards new station facilities from residential development will be calculated as follows:

(FS+FA x AF)/DP

Where;

FS is the cost to build a new fire station
FA is the cost of new fire appliances and equipment
AF is the activity factor
DP is the average number of domestic properties.

Currently the 22 fire stations cover 18,887 non-domestic premises. This means that each station on average covers 858 premises. The average property floorspace is 968 sq m. The per sq m contribution is therefore calculated as follows:

(FS+FA X AF) /NDP/PF

Where;

FS is the cost to build a new fire station
FA is the cost of new fire appliances and equipment
AF is the activity factor
NDP is the average number of non-domestic properties
PF is the average property floorspace.

The above stuff has been sent to me for my comment.

Hmmm? Well, before I go any further, that does look like two very sensible formulae.

Q. "Are the assumptions right or wrong?"
A. "I haven't got a clue."

So I can't comment, can I?

Conclusion: It's definitely a case of the blind are leading the blind.

Fred household:

What do you do, Dad?

I wind people up on bulletin boards.

Why, Dad?

Dunno, I just have fun doing it.

But how can you justify that, Dad?

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