Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Just squelsh Fred. He is a complete fool.

Indeed Tim, the man is a total oxygen thief. I imagine if everyone squished or totally ignored him he would get bored and piss off.

The whole hunt ban thing was part of labour's imaginary class war on the 'toffs'. The reality was always different.. Hunting was/is much more classless (as is shooting, my sport) than the towny labourites knew. I doubt that animal welfare had much of a part to play. Most towny labourites know three parts of bugger all about animal welfare or countryside management. The British countryside is the way it is through centuries of management by man, which includes culling pest and predator species.

My own daughter took up shooting after seeing the destruction wrought by foxes on a sheep farm when she worked lambing. The farmer had to shoot literally hundreds of foxes a year.

A vast amount of nonsense seems to be spouted and pontificated by those with no experience of the real world when it comes to wildlife.

Our own garden is now bursting with song birds. Chaffinches, tits, robins, sparrows, yellowhammers, goldfinches, the place is alive. Why? Well we feed them - and I shoot the damned magpies that kill them and sometimes bother to eat them.

Thats right towny labourites know bugger all about animal welfare, does that include towny torys ? it seems that you have the class war problem.

Most sheep and lambs are killed by pet dogs running wild , so its you that knows bugger all.

Countryside management . who was it that dug up all the hedgerows ?

Animal welfare. who exports live animals to countrys that have low animal welfare standards

Who used veal grates untill they were forced to stop by law ?

Who still use battery hens when every animal welfare expert says they are cruel ?

Don't get me started on the masses of chemical's that get sprayed onto the food we eat and that are partly responsible for the falling numbers of wild birds and mammals in the uk [ i grow my own and buy oganic ] and i don't hug tree's.

ald,

Any spare hugs for TIM.

I have no qualms with boxing although I would never attend an event. I have though inadvertently seen boxing "events" in Mexico and south east Asia. I would say that 14 year old females being pummelled to the point of unconsciousness under the eye of a baying crowd was not a pretty sight and nor was some of the other of it.
I do not hunt now but have 21 times in my life, I kid you not that was in Australia, truth be told the jumps designated and not, here and in Ireland scare me witless, so I leave it to others. However, I move sometimes in these communities and the tradition, history and pageantry and just a day out for the local folk (nothing to do with alleged upper classes) is something that those with other vices and in other environments probably actually don't have the right to comment on

People get upset about foxes being killed and similarly about badgers. However, they don't mind rats being killed. There is no essential difference between a baby seal, a fox, a badger, a rat or pigeon (flying rat). Just because one or more have nice face or there are sentimental feelings towards them doesn't mean you can't kill them if they are a pest.

Your missing the point , if they are a pest they should be culled in a humane way and not just an excuse to carry on an outdated cruel tradition.

Public hangings used to be a day out for the locals. Also you might say that there is no essential difference between humans and monkeys but would you like to be forced to take part in lab experments and be hunted for food or caged in a zoo ?

If you went on the opinion of the public then we would have capital punishment. Every opinion poll shows the public want it back. I am not one of them.

I do want foxes killed and I am not bothered whether it is humane or not. I get foxes in my garden and I regard them as a pest. If I was a better shot, I would probably throw a brick at them. I usually have to resort to turning the hose on them or painting the fence area where they come through with non-setting tar paint. The council is not interested. The fox lovers groups are not interested (they say I should be pleased to have foxes in my garden).

At the end of the day you just have to accept that not every one is bothered whether they are killed humanely or not. It is just a fox and not any different from an ant or some other pest. In a different detting it moight not be a pest. In the country it is regarded as a pest and in cities it is a pest. Maybe on some remote moorland it might not be a pest, but who cares.

I haver had several dogs and currently a cat and treated them very well. That is not to say I am dog or cat lover. I just like my dogs and cats.

So what constitutes being "culled in a humane way"?

It really has nothing to do with killing in a humane way. It is that there is a section of society that resents there being a sporting aspect to the killing.

There has been a fear for some time now amongst anglers that fishing would not be too far down the list of 'inhumane' and cruel sports.

Seal culling is done in a pretty humane way, certainly in terms of speed and suffering. A hunter bashes a seal on the head with a club that has a large spike at the end of it. Death is pretty much instantaneous. That doesn't go down too well with the animal rights people though as it is not pretty (except the seal's face). Of course they don't come up with a better solution to the overpopulation. Would letting them starve to death be better? Shooting is no more humane than the use of the club.

It is just a fox and not any different from an ant ........ lol



Yes, i can see how alike they are.

Essentially an ant is no different from a fox. It is just that people find it easier to apply anthropomorphism to a fox.

Micro



If you reply to my post in answer to yours, i might tell you. anyway shouldn't you know the answer ?

Your answer might be different to mine.

There's 'humane' and there's 'legal'.

In law, common sense very often goes right out the window. So why should the one have any similarity to the other?

I have a few friends who advocate culling a few tories, who they look upon as unnecessary predators. The rest they think should be kept in Zoos.

I think someone, somewhere, somewhere thought they were alike to vermin

(Not my opinion.) (Possibly, help to lose an election.)

Have mixed "feelings" about causing the deaths of members of other species, but "feel" if it "has" to be done, it should be done as painlessly as possible.

I use going coarse fishing, nice day out caught very little and felt it difficult to justify sticking a hook in a fishes mouth, dragging it out of the water and then chucking it back in the water.

However, the majority of fish were very safe when I was about as I caught very few.

Swapped to fly fishing, justifying doing so, as at least, I might eat the products of my effort.

Caught even less, but felt less guilty.

PS.

Greek, I wouldn't cull you.










Perhaps, put you in quarantine until your dangerous "leanings or ideas" were over.

Fred

What's missing from that white space between paragraphs

Thoughts I indulged in and then culled!

8-~)