Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

that may or may not be so, but unlike you, i am content to live by whatever result emerges, whether i am happy with it or not

personally, i think parliament a a whole has behaved disgracefully

as for dominic grieve who happens to be my MP, both beloved and myself have strong doubts that we will vote for him come the next election whenever that may be ...... he was elected to serve his constituents ..... his constituents voted strongly to leave ..... grieve has totally ignored them and pursued his own agenda

Some of his constituents voted to leave, some to remain.

I think he should be cut himself proportionally in two and then put his weight where he thinks it will be appropriate.

Mind his conscience and his respect for the future of his "country" as a whole may direct him to vote differently from you.

Perhaps, he believes he may be the only sane person in the asylum (sorry constituency) and should place his key or vote where he thinks it to be appropriate.

But I doubt he will miss your vote.

I don't think that he sees himself as your hired servant.

Alf votes Labour shock in tomorrows nationals!..you heard it here first.

Fred being stupid again.

A bit like saying have two thirds of him as MP and the other third made up of the other candidates.

Grieve has been a disgrace and should be kicked out of the Conservative party.

Dominic Grieve as next leader of the Con-artists I say!

Cynic - I too am in Grieves constituency

I voted for the **** last time round following a personal visit in which he promised he would work to see Brexit delivered. He clearly lied

And I presume you can guess the likelihood of me voting for him again

Well done Dom, what a star he's turning out to be 👍🏼

I understand, some Brexiters have changed their mind of who they wish to vote.

That is democracy!

Cyners,

If you and Joe Say don't vote for Grieve in the next election, who will you vote for? Or will you exercise your democratic right not to vote at all?

Cue Fred (enters stage left).

:o)

i don't know ...... i feel there is at least a moral obligation to vote, so the thought of abstaining goes very much against the grain ...... i'll have to see who else is on the ticket and what they purport to offer

But you made a decision to vote tory last time, it would be immoral of you to change your mind.

Tut. Tut.

You will be asking if you can change your mind about "Brexit". Typical little englander behaviour.

Mind you from what I see the tories are so fragmented that they will sell their souls for a bag of chips.

Manuel.

I see a fellow representative member of your riff-raff party has been arrested today.

So be careful where you put your billboards up.

Not another one, who is it now?

I know who it should be.

For, It and Dil.

Tic Toc.

Cyners,

I've only ever voted Conservative, but I won't be voting for them next time round. Similarly, I have both leave and remain friends who have only ever voted Conservative, and they all say the same as me.

So, who the f**k is gonna vote for them?

I really hope they split themselves up over the mess they've created - it'll be their own fault. It's time for a new centrist party to be formed, with Blair and Cameron's ethos, but without their baggage imo. The right wing extremists can form their own Monster Raving Gammon Party.

Would prefer to see a coalition government to be elected for a 5year period to attempt to clear up the mess which has been created.

That would mean the postponement of Section 50 review of relationship with the EU and move to well defined proposals in a NEW REFERENDUM.

Also, during that period there should be "crossbench" examination of the goals of government the possible aims for the "welfare states" and its responsibilities.

Also, examination of the necessary "infrastructures" of the UK and the costs and "financings" of such.

Ie. a period of standing back, reflection and LONG TERM future planning.

(Probably wishful thinking.)

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By the way, tend to agree with JC on A Marr's program.

(Possibly too sensible and hopeful.)

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Also, that the Neo-cons in the tory party are exposed and sectioned off from the "tory centralists or moderates into their own party.

(Cyners, would then have a party he could vote for to represent him.)

CNG - i have no problem at all with TM, and indeed the opposite, but on a personal level, i think dominic grieve has behaved disgracefully

Seems like everyone on here has voted Conservative more than me (except Fred who can't be arsed to vote at all).

I only voted for them once and that was in 1992 because I knew it would be a Labour landslide here.

Liked their manifesto did you Hils ?

Which bit did you like Fred , the bit where like you he wouldn't answer the questions put to him ?