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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Fred1new - 16 Jan 2019 19:55 - 11632 of 12628

Dil,

Why don't you ask your wife to finish reading Peter Pan to you?

Or go and bed down with the sheep.


-=-=-==

It ain't over yet and I think a second referendum and remain are looking more and more possible.

And I bet after a few days the tory party inter-party shenanigans will recommence

With Gove and Boris throwing their hats into the ring.

Dil - 16 Jan 2019 20:10 - 11633 of 12628

Norfolk ????

Have you seen the price of holidays in this country ?

I'm off to Cyprus for half the price if Hils is right.

Tic toc , tic toc , tic toc , tic toc , tic toc , tic toc :-)

Dil - 16 Jan 2019 20:13 - 11634 of 12628

Ok Armchair , be careful I don't come round your house and Nick your TV remote control. Then you'd have to get arse for a change.

Stan - 16 Jan 2019 20:26 - 11635 of 12628

The Outsiders laughing on the outside (naturally) and crying on the inside.

Cerise Noire Girl - 16 Jan 2019 20:33 - 11636 of 12628

Who's Nick, Dil? And did Gordon agree?

:o)

Martini - 16 Jan 2019 20:34 - 11637 of 12628

Dil
Can’t get a dog sitter so they need to come with us hence Norfolk.
However we have had a holiday in Cyprus for the last 5 years and out of season is ok other that the Russians who use it a lot and in general what awful travellers they are.

Fred1new - 16 Jan 2019 20:36 - 11638 of 12628

Dil.

Be careful if you do.

As some before you to their costs they found, I am a light sleeper.

Listen to Corbyn response after the no-confidence vote took place and May thought she has won.

It may be a Pyrrhic victory!

Corbyn may have got what he wants. I think he played a gambit.

Interesting.

Cerise Noire Girl - 16 Jan 2019 20:36 - 11639 of 12628

GBP/EUR 1.1304 now, Dil.

Wait till Brexit's cancelled completely. Your week in Cyprus will be cheaper still then, and the weather will be better to boot.

:o)

Dil - 16 Jan 2019 21:30 - 11640 of 12628

Woo hoo , your a bloody star Hils.

Tic toc , tic toc , tic toc :-)

Dil - 16 Jan 2019 21:34 - 11641 of 12628

Hils , Clegg and Brown ?

Not sure what your getting at.

Dil - 16 Jan 2019 21:36 - 11642 of 12628

Armchair , Corby is still sitting on his fence but is about to get pushed off it ... and look what happened to Humpty Dumpty when he fell off.

Dil - 16 Jan 2019 21:49 - 11643 of 12628

M , the kids dog can't behave in my own back garden ... wanna take him too ?

Stan - 16 Jan 2019 23:57 - 11644 of 12628

Only Fools and Theresa https://twitter.com/ianpuddick/status/1085516575883608064?s=12

hilary - 17 Jan 2019 09:06 - 11645 of 12628

Sorry Dil, it was a bad attempt at a joke regarding Nick Clegg and Gordon Brown which wasn't remotely funny. I'll remove the job title of comedienne (can I still say that, or is it sexist?) from my cv.

:o)

Meanwhile, back in the Bat Cave, here's a sobering thought on the matter of Article 50 revocation that it was a Labour government which went to court to establish the legal principle that a manifesto promise – about a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty (some irony there!) – could not be relied on (R (Wheeler) v Office of the Prime Minister). Manifesto promises are worthless, the highest court in the land has ruled.

Fred1new - 17 Jan 2019 09:35 - 11646 of 12628

Dil,

Your mother is waiting for you!

Martini - 17 Jan 2019 09:41 - 11647 of 12628

Hils
Whilst a manifesto “promise” has no validity under law it is likely to piss off your supporters if broken with no significant changes in circumstances. Also it helps to get subsequent legislation past the House of Lords I would suggest.

As far as article 50 goes that was voted through as an act of parliament so presumably would need another to reverse it?

hilary - 17 Jan 2019 09:52 - 11648 of 12628

Indeed, Martini. Legalities are one thing, but the politics of the matter are something else, and that's why I've been saying for days that successful politicians always have a fall guy to blame when they're unable to deliver.

For May to say 'cross-party talks have started', I would replace that phrase with 'the Blame Game has started'. There is only one concensus in Parliament, and that's that a no deal Brexit can't be allowed to happen (even Corbyn says that), and the mechanism to implement that concensus is a revocation of Article 50.

iturama - 17 Jan 2019 09:55 - 11649 of 12628

Which May says she will not do, or extend it. She is the boss, Corbyn is merely a confused onlooker.

hilary - 17 Jan 2019 09:57 - 11650 of 12628

No, iturama. Parliament becomes the new boss on Monday. May is nothing more than their bitch.

cynic - 17 Jan 2019 10:12 - 11651 of 12628

hils - that's a very sexist and derogatory comment .... you'll be up before the beak if you don't watch out
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