Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

M , the kids dog can't behave in my own back garden ... wanna take him too ?

Only Fools and Theresa https://twitter.com/ianpuddick/status/1085516575883608064?s=12

Sorry Dil, it was a bad attempt at a joke regarding Nick Clegg and Gordon Brown which wasn't remotely funny. I'll remove the job title of comedienne (can I still say that, or is it sexist?) from my cv.

:o)

Meanwhile, back in the Bat Cave, here's a sobering thought on the matter of Article 50 revocation that it was a Labour government which went to court to establish the legal principle that a manifesto promise – about a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty (some irony there!) – could not be relied on (R (Wheeler) v Office of the Prime Minister). Manifesto promises are worthless, the highest court in the land has ruled.

Dil,

Your mother is waiting for you!

Hils
Whilst a manifesto “promise” has no validity under law it is likely to piss off your supporters if broken with no significant changes in circumstances. Also it helps to get subsequent legislation past the House of Lords I would suggest.

As far as article 50 goes that was voted through as an act of parliament so presumably would need another to reverse it?

Indeed, Martini. Legalities are one thing, but the politics of the matter are something else, and that's why I've been saying for days that successful politicians always have a fall guy to blame when they're unable to deliver.

For May to say 'cross-party talks have started', I would replace that phrase with 'the Blame Game has started'. There is only one concensus in Parliament, and that's that a no deal Brexit can't be allowed to happen (even Corbyn says that), and the mechanism to implement that concensus is a revocation of Article 50.

Which May says she will not do, or extend it. She is the boss, Corbyn is merely a confused onlooker.

No, iturama. Parliament becomes the new boss on Monday. May is nothing more than their bitch.

hils - that's a very sexist and derogatory comment .... you'll be up before the beak if you don't watch out

Even if it is true?

There is no consensus to revoke Article 50 and it has to be genuine not a delaying tactic.

interesting that the markets remain sanguine but very quiet

And unless the government agree otherwise I've not yet heard of a way of extending Article 50.

Happy days.

Tic toc.

I said there was a concensus that a no deal can't be allowed to happen, Dil. An Article 50 extension or revocation is the only way of implementing that concensus as things stand.

As for the delaying tactic argument, I did read that the EU had said that, but I don't really see it as being their call, as the legal ruling is that the UK can revoke it unilaterally.

An extension is something different, and that would require the consent of the other EU27, so there would need to be a valid reason.

Now that Corbyn has made a twit of himself and failed, TM might surprise you all and go for broke on Monday and call a GE - and would I expect wipe the table and rid Labour of Corbyn soon after.

TM is in control and has now provided proof thast she can see off Labour and its supporters.

52% and maybe more now want the Clean Break they voted for.

The legal boys and girls are rubbing their hands in glee.

Hils , I'm sure it was the court that ruled it could only be revoked if it were genuine and not a delaying tactic.

"genuine" ???

Go read up on it Fred if your that thick.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-houseprices-rics/gloom-shrouds-uk-housing-market-outlook-as-brexit-nears-idUKKCN1PB005?feedType=nl&feedName=uktopnewsearly&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018%20Template:%20LUNCH%20BREAK%20NEWS%202019-01-17&utm_term=NEW:%20UK%20Lunch%20Break

Gloom shrouds UK housing market outlook as Brexit nears
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LONDON (Reuters) - The outlook for Britain’s housing market is darkening fast ahead of Brexit, with sales expectations falling to their lowest level in at least 20 years by one measure, surveys showed on Thursday.