Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

d day , its now impossible for any party to do what is correct for the country its now in splinters devided and broke never mind who wins .
the uk has a divided nation . its not good because the public now do not support democracy . in the end it is no good for any one

I except the ballot box win or lose we have to

Don't take it to heart Vic. It's what they do and have to do to sway the swing and new voter who really are the only ones that matter. Most people will vote the same every time, the main exception being those that moved to UKIP at the last election. The question is will the kippers return to their old allegiances, or, having changed party preference once, will they move on to a new party, in most cases that means Conservative because of Brexit.
I must say this has been the most uninspiring election campaign by the tories that I have ever seen. The refrain of Brexit and strong and stable government became boring after the first day. Thank goodness we had Diane Abbott to provide us with some light entertainment. Now I am off to vote.

i agree itu, though to be fair to (rationalise) TM it would have been lunacy to expand on the brexit negotiation stance

what i dislike in particular is the americanisation of our media...... with the exception of FT, the press (and radio) have been horrendously partisan

I think Ukipers will tend to vote Tory because she looks more likely to take us out of the EU .

I thought the Kippers had become Knutters.

Kippers wont vote for Jezza, an act of lunacy and self harm.

Trouble is, I don't trust May.

"with the exception of FT, the press (and radio) have been horrendously partisan"

Who pays the bill, calls the tune?

I don't fully trust the tory's, but ALL Brexiters should vote for them if it
will make the decisive result in their constituencies, in mine voting tory
wouldn't make a difference because its between Labour and the LibDems
so I have voted for my party UKIP.

in the case of the BBC, it's the taxpayer across the board
BBC used to have a well-earned reputation for level-headed and even-handed reporting, but sadly it is no longer the case

The BBC are a disgrace..But it does not surprise you when they recruit their
journalist from the guardian and vice versa...

And they need serious reform..like getting privatised if they can't report neutrally
and unbiased like they are supposed to....

The licence fee payers shouldn't be forced to pay for being brainwashed..

Well i'm in a marginal seat , Tories sent 8 or 9 posted letters begging for my vote , and Labour sent one . It is currently Labour . Whether Labour are so confident i don't know , or Tories get on peoples tits by sending so many letters . I think over the country the UKIP voters and yet to be known the students , could decide it . Those two million registrations is going to play a part .

Manuel,

Do you mean there are nor enough Neocons or Fascists on the governing boards of Sky and BBC ITV etc. governing boards?

Wait until Murdock's gets into power.

A perfect world.

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Mark,

I wish that P77471 had been posted in 1997.

But remember IDS was jumping for joy as he walked from NO 10 when told the UK was joining Bush's war.

The cons supported Blair's and Bush's war! (Bush's vanity war.)

I think I would have preferred Corbyn's attempt at negotiation and UN agreement!

Voting day " dilemma " ........

The Tax System Explained - Using a Beer Analogy

Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7.
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.　
So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20." Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody's share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.　

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a100% saving).
The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving).
The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving).
The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving).
The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving).
And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving).　
Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.　

But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got £1 out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!"　
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a £1 too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"　

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"　

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.　

The next week the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important - they didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!　

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.　

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

It's pissing down here and likely to do so all day. Who's vote will get hit hardest by a lower turnout ?

Traditionally Labour isn't it ?

17474 - no fred i do not nor remotely so ..... all i ask is that BBC reverts to being the public news service that is used to be, broadcasting balanced analysis and comment

In general, it seems to me all the /Radio, TV news outlets try to be fairly balanced.

(Other than Russia to-day.)

Doesn't mean that some of those interviewed are not pushing and misrepresenting their own views and stances.

Difficult to get the right balance.

The real villains for me are some of the News Papers and their respective ownerships.

newspapers are indeed very predictable
FT gives balanced analysis though it admits to favouring the tories

BBC and its radio channels have been a disgrace, some of its pro-labour bias being blatant and some of it quite subtle

not sure about ITV as don't watch it much

well my family all 12 of us are off to vote at 1pm . we would just like to say
having seen and watched the likes of the KINOCKS BLAIRS AND BROWN WHO DESTROYED PENSIONS AND THE KINOCKS SAYING THEY ARE LABOUR AND NOW MILIONAIRES FROM BEIN IN LABOUR WE CAN NEVR VOTE LABOUR
AND WE ARE FROM WORKING CLASS , THESE SO CALLED SOCAILISTS ARE NOT

THEY HAVE BEEN IN GOV FOR THEIR OWN AIMS

THESE ARE OUR VIEWS

ITS VERY SAD FOR THE UK TO BE SO DEVIDED BY MPS OF ALL PARTIES WHO ARE NOT HONEST
ALL PARTIES