Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Palestinians sell property to Israelis all the time. There are constant complaints from Palestinians about this. There are no penalties for it. It is happening every day. A law does exist that specifies the death penalty, but it has never been used. In particular Palestinians in Jerusalem often sell their houses to Israelis. It is usually under threat of having them confiscated or demolished.

More bullshit from Haystack. Get your facts straight for once.

Palestinian land laws
BBC report on death sentence

Didn't you read this bit

"Correspondents say the sentence, which has to be approved by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, is not expected to be carried out.

The Palestinian leader has withheld his approval in several similar cases."

In practice nothing is done about it. This is mainly becauses several highly placed Palesinian leaders have been implicated in land deals with Israelis.

Haystack

You condemn a small group of rabbis for suggesting that jews should avoid selling property to non jews - a proposal rejected by the majority of Israelis.

I wonder, now, if your twisted mind and double standards will prevent you from also condemning the Palestinian authorities who have not shown such restraint and have gone so far as to legislate against selling land to Jews and Christians - as an offence where the maximum penalty is death.

You're going to have to make that condemnation - because Double Standards are a sure sign of bigotry.

Of course it is wrong for the Palestian Authority to legislate in that way. Part of the problem was to attempt to stop Israel illegaly settling in the West Bank. Unfortunately it did not work and Israel continues to steal Palestinian land, farms and house. There is also the distinction that the Arabs living in Israel proper are supposed to be equal citizens. This is clearly not the case and it is what makes Israel and apartheid state. In the West Bank you are talking about an occupying force. It would be as if Germany was occupying England during the war. I can easily imagine that a law might be passed prohibiting English citizens from selling to Germans punishable by death.

So, to be clear,

1) you condemn a small group of rabbis for suggesting that Jews shouldn't sell land to arabs, with no further comment.

2) You state that it is wrong for the PA to legislate against selling land to non arabs, but then back-pedal and explain how you are sympathetic to their reasons for doing so.

Double standards. Bigot.

"The 3D Test of Anti-Semitism: Demonization, Double Standards, Delegitimization". You managed all three in one post.

The point is that in Israel Arabs are supposed to be equal as citizens.

In the West Bank Israel is an occupying force and Palesinians selling property would be regarded as collaborators as were French people who aided the enemy. The actual Palestnian Land law specifies the 'selling of land to the enemy'. that is a law that might well be enacted in any country that was being forcibly occupied. The law was introduced when the 1967 was was on and Israel was establishing illegal settlements in captured territory. The law was kept when Israel captuted the West Bank from Jordan. It is not a helpful law and should be abolished, but it is quite understandable that it exists.

The reason why I condemn the Rabbis for suggesting that Isralis do not rent or sell property to Arabs is that the Arabs live there as part of Israel. The West Bank is NOT Israel. Israel is in someone elses territory.

No.

The point is that you continue to apply double standards.

You condemn Israel for a proposal that isn't even policy, yet you refuse to condemn the PA for a mirror image policy which they have made law. Worse still, you are blind to the irony in your seeking to justify the PA law.

People reading this will be laughing at you Haystack. You're making yourself look very foolish. Take a deep breath, have a think, condemn the PA unreservedly for this law, and change your position to a defensible one on this solitary point if you want to be taken even slightly seriously.

In fact I do condemn the PA for almost everything that they do. They are collaborators with Israel and the US. They have no proper basis to exist as they were an interim body and their tenure finished several years ago. As I have said above Palesinians trading with Isralis are collaborators and should be dealt with as such. The death penalty is absurd, but there should be severe penalties. At the end of the day Israel is occupying someone else's land and should expect to be treated in that way. Arabs in israel are no different from French people in England. Israelis in the West Bank are an occupying army.

ROFLMAO

several things .... H (and others) should read the whole article in Telegraph (no doubt elsewhere too) about schools/arabic, jews/palestinians renting, jews/palestinians dating - lots of local jewish condemnation therein ..... i confess that i don't read most posts on here because they are so hopelessly verbose and blinkered and biased, usually starting from faulty/debatable premise, but i don't recollect seeing H mentioning said condemnation - but perhaps i'm wrong and H did indeed post a balanced comment, exceedingly unlikely as that may be.

now for a different question or two ....

exactly who are the palestinians?
i was under the impression that they are just an amorphous bunch of mixed arab tribes, but perhaps i'm wrong

why does H (and others) rabbit on about "the land known (worldwide) as israel" being palestinian land?
as far as i can see, it is just on the basis that this mysterious "they" and their progeny/ancestors have lived there for a couple of centuries - but of course so have many jews for far far longer.

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and before H goes off on his usual ranting tangent, my views on israel's aggressive and continued expansion into the west bank and its treatment of the truly indigenous arab population are already well-posted

The Palestinians are the people who lived in Palestine before Israel took the land. Even in the Balfour decleration the Palestine is mentioned -"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". Therefore this was Palestine even before the 1917 Balfour Decleration. There were more than 1 million inhabitants displaced by Israel living in Palestine. It matters not whether they were mixed tribes of Arabs. You could well say that England is a mixed tribe of people. The real point is that these refugees were living there before they were forced out of thier homes and off their land for the benefit of Israel.

Even the UN General Assembly Resolution 181
(Partition Plan)
November 29, 1947

refers to

Palestinian citizens three times
Palestinian citizensship once
and
Palestinian peoples once


The Population of Palestine 1947 was 1,845,000

It comprised of 1,237,000 non Jewish
and
608,000 Jewish

approximately 67% to 33%

The intention was for two states in the partition plan. The Arab state never came into existence. The proposed land distribution was to be 56.47% to a Jewish state and 43.53% to an Arab state with Jerusalem excluded and to be run by the UN. In fact before the plan came into effect the Zionist militants had driven off 300,000 Arabs from their land to be seized by Israel. From the actual partition in 1948 Israel has steadily taken more and more land. Jordan did not want a Palestinian state and had a secret agreement with Israel to let them capture the West Bank. They held it until 1967 when Israel took it back. Israel now controls almost all of the land west of the Jordan river. In pratice it means that Israel has around 95% of all the land. This is from a situation where they started with just 33% of the population.

i knew it was rash to ask a question of H .... all he can do is ramble and ramble and ramble and c+p from somewhere else and not answer the questions asked ..... would someone sensible like to have a crack at my fairly simple questions?

I recall reading somewhere that Palestine land was mostly that now known as Jordan or Syria, what is now israel represents but a small part. No doubt an enlightened soul (that won't be haystack) can offer guidance.

i think you may be thinking of the map of how the whole m/e was carved up after 1st World War, between Syria, Trans-Jordan, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon and Palestine (now Israel) ...... I'll try to find the web page for you and post on here .... the descriptives as to what was deemed (felt to be) jewish and arab land (in the loosest term) is interesting ..... much or even all were initially "protectorates", either under french or british jurisdiction - i think that's all correct

"In fact I do condemn the PA for almost everything that they do. They are collaborators with Israel and the US. They have no proper basis to exist as they were an interim body and their tenure finished several years ago. As I have said above Palesinians trading with Isralis are collaborators and should be dealt with as such. The death penalty is absurd, but there should be severe penalties"

So sayeth Mein Fuhrer Heil Adolf Parrot.

This thing has unlimited depths of venom now turned on the Palestinian Authority.
Isn't his pathological hatred of Israel and Jews enough to assuage his hunger?

His words are straight out of the mouths of Hamas.

With so much hatred and highly selective condemnation in his being, I can imagine how utterly insufferable and dominating he must be with his unfortunate family - if he's got one.
Of course, that nice man, Herr Hitler, had Eva Braun. He also liked dogs. Especially Alsatians ripping living Jews apart. Yes, you can see why Herr Hayes adores Herr Hitler.

Never mind, Greg, soon the armies of Hamas, Hizbollah and Iran will wipe out every living Jew in Israel, and for good measure the Palestinian Authority and all who support it.
And all thanks to you, Herr Hayes.

Cynic,

Go back a little further.

enlighten us ...... it's just something i came across the other day by chance ..... of course those "bits of land" have existed for several million years, but how they were "apportioned" by say 1850/1900 (for sensible historical convenience) i have no idea off- hand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Southern_Levant

The history of that region doesn't tell you very much.

The imprtant part is that by 1947 it was a mixed population of Arabs and Jews.

The Population of Palestine 1947 was 1,845,000

1,237,000 non Jewish
and
608,000 Jewish

approximately 67% to 33%

Israel has stolen almost all of the land that was previously shared.